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Hello,
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this is just going to be a a quick video on some tips or things
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to keep in mind as you're designing services for your um high ability learners.
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This is not a video on comprehensive treatment of services. If you want to
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um get more information on common services,
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make sure that you are looking at the uh D O E handbook for high ability
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as well as I I posted in kind of intro video on gifted programming elements
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in the first module.
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So make sure to look at those for some more common service
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options and some things to keep in mind for those services.
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The purpose of this video is just to give you some tips about
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things that are coming up that I keep hearing about current trends or,
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or issues that I want you to keep in mind as
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you're thinking about expanding services for your high ability kids.
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OK. So to start that conversation, this is the the biggest thing to say today is
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make sure when we're thinking about services for our high ability learners,
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we're not thinking of a program
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and that's usually what I hear is we have a program.
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Like, for example, in middle school we've got others classes in math and language,
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arts
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and I think an honors class is not a program. Right?
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Um The same with high school. Oh, we have advanced placement or?
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Oh, we've got dual credit
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but beyond those courses, what do we have for our high ability kids?
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So, thinking about our identified population,
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there's still quite a range in differences and needs
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and that's what we really need to focus on.
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So are we finding the needs for those
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extreme outliers and providing services for those?
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Are we finding a service option for those kids who need
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some additional supports in terms terms of social emotional needs and adjustment
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um as well as different career and college guidance.
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Thinking about that for high school students.
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So when we're thinking about services, it's not just we have a program,
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a one size fits all.
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Instead we should have a menu or a range of options for kids depending
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on what they need and what stage they are in terms of their development,
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we also need to be open to acceleration and and this is
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something I included in the module linked to the University of Iowa's Acceleration
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Institute.
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They have compiled the research over several decades to
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show how beneficial acceleration can be for kids.
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It's an inexpensive option.
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It doesn't cost anything really to accelerate kids, subject acceleration or,
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or whole grade acceleration.
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It's not right for all kids.
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Um and certainly you need to go through a process that the University of Iowa has
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a tool to help you do to consider whether or not that's a viable option,
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but it's definitely an option that is under used in Indiana.
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So I strongly strongly encourage you to read through that body of information.
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Look at that website that Iowa puts out.
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It has um powerpoint presentations that you can use
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with different groups of stakeholders to kind of help
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them understand that this is really a viable option
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for high ability kids to consider our outliers.
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Anyway.
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Um Their research is really robust that
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kids generally speaking, who have been accelerated, never go back and say, oh,
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that was a terrible idea.
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You know, for the strong most part,
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they're very happy with that option of acceleration.
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They're much happier,
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socially and emotionally and better adjusted because of that.
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So just make sure that you don't immediately cross that out because at one point
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and one time we knew one kid who is accelerating and it didn't work out.
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Ok, we all have our anecdotal evidence.
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But when we look collectively at the research
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and the body of evidence that provides,
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it is really a strong option that I hope more districts will consider
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for their high ability learners who are in, in need of a more rigorous challenge.
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And even the high
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program at that grade level can provide.
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The other thing to keep in mind is the importance of a therapeutic dose.
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Ok. In terms of the amount of time that kids are spending in service. Um, for example,
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I know some districts might have uh enrichment Fridays where the high ability kids
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go to a high ability enrichment program from two until 2 45 on Fridays.
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And they work on higher order thinking skills or something.
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And a colleague of mine always used to compare this to the analogy of being on a diet.
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If you're only on an a, a diet Fridays from two until 2 45 that's,
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that's not gonna work, right?
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It's not gonna show a lot of results, ok. But, and the same is true for high ability,
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you need to have a therapeutic dose in terms of the time and services.
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So really look at that and on your high ability documentation form,
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it asks you to fill out the number of minutes that kids are
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receiving a differentiated experience um in each of the core subject areas,
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how many minutes they're receiving that uh per week?
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And if that is too low or, you know, not high enough,
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then maybe that is an area to start with in
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terms of thinking about program improvements for the future.
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Because if we're not giving them enough time, you know,
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it's really going to be hard for them to show any achievement growth.
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So therapeutic dose,
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make sure they're having enough time in that
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service that it's actually going to be impactful.
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And along with that,
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we can consider supplementary services and services in additional domains.
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So we know in Indiana,
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we're required to provide services in math and language arts at minimum.
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And so at the elementary level, we can be doing that right,
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we can cluster them or use between class grouping or something for their
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core content instruction.
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But there's also a lot of time in the day that we
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could be offering additional services that
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frequently we're not taking advantage of.
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For example, a lot of districts have what I need time or win time or success time or,
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or some time in the day, 25 30 minutes
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that they are using to provide kids additional um
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time and instruction who need some remediation or support.
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But for the kids who are high ability,
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that time could easily be used as an enrichment or an extension of services,
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a supplementary service.
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So instead of random acts of enrichment, which is usually what happens.
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Maybe we could purposefully group those kids together and it could be multi age,
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you could have a second through fourth grade, you know,
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depending on the schedule in your building.
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But that those high ability kids come together to the same teacher during that
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win time or success time and they are
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provided with some instruction in high order thinking,
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problem solving, creativity.
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OK.
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Whatever it might be, but that it's systematic and planned,
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not just random so that you can actually see growth in some of those skills or
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those additional areas or additional domains that you
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might be able to provide services for.
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The same is true at the middle and high school level with home room
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and with um advisory,
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different opportunities there that if we grouped our kids together purposefully,
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it would be a lot easier to give um some
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time and attention to the social emotional piece as well.
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So those targeted
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um guidance and counseling lessons that
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are differentiated from high ability kids,
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if they're grouped together for home room,
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there might be some time to do some of those lessons or for that remediation,
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success time
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that we might not otherwise have in the school day.
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So really pay attention to your schedule, um talk with your administrators,
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your building administrators and think.
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Can we carve out some additional time in the day
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to expand on the services we're already offering in language,
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arts and math or to offer services in some of these additional domains,
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leadership, technical arts like robotics or, or science areas or creativity
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that we're not currently offering,
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but we could find more kids who might qualify or need those services or benefit from
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them and expand our program that way or
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just strengthen the exposure to that skill development,
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higher order,
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uh critical and creative thinking and problem solving during that time as well.
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So that's something I want you to,
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to think about if that's a possibility in your district
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also at middle and high school um focusing on high school here for a minute.
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There's a current kind of push in our state for dual credit.
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And I'm hearing this a lot even in the dashboard and the measurements,
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the percentage of kids who are graduating high school with some
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um
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postsecondary credential or these different um credits that they can apply.
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And I think that's a good goal.
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But the problem is if it comes at the expense
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of offering the most rigorous option for high ability kids.
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So for example, if um a dual credit is offered and that is a
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pathway that a lot of kids are interested
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in because they can automatically get the credit,
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they don't have to pass a course at the end or pass a test at the end
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like you do for A P to get credit.
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Some districts are doing away with their A
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P offerings and offering the dual credit version.
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Instead,
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the problem with that is dual credit is not standardized.
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Some dual credit is excellent and provides a lot of rigor and preparation
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and others other dual credit does not.
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And because it's not standardized,
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we can't be sure that it is being taught at the level
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that our high ability kids need in order to be well prepared
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in that particular subject area.
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The other issue is that kids who are applying for selective colleges,
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especially out of state
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dual credit doesn't translate often the college admissions don't
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know what to do with that because again,
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it's not standardized,
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everyone knows what to do with an A P score of A five in calculus.
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We all understand what that means because it's the same across the country.
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Kids who took, they take the same tests, it scored on the same, you know, level.
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And so we can very easily understand and interpret
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that and apply it in the college admissions process.
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So for that reason, I want you to kind of think about
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advocating for advanced placement to be offered,
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not just dual credit in some particular subject areas.
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Um Math and science as as two areas to consider. Specifically,
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I want to show you here some data,
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the commission for Higher Ed and I'm gonna post this,
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this research report, so you'll have access to it.
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Um has done multiple studies looking at the
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predictive validity of dual credit and A P
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in terms of predicting first year college grades as well as persistence.
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So those kids who go on and continue in college for sophomore year,
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and you can see when you look at that, that
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um the kids who had dual credit only 43% of those earned the
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first year um college grade point average of the 3.0 or above.
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But look for the kids that had a P only that goes up to 65%.
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And then the kids who had a mix of both it goes up to 74%.
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So the takeaway from this is more is better,
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you know, that we get to 74%.
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But between dual credit and A P A P is a better predictor
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of that first year college grade point average than dual credit alone.
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The same is true if we come over here and look at persistence.
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So those kids who continued on for their sophomore year as opposed to dropping out
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um kids who had dual credit, only 75% of them returned for their sophomore year.
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But 90% of the kids who had A P only returned for their sophomore year
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and again, a little bit better if we had a combination of both A P and dual credit.
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But the point on this is that
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A
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does have a predictive advantage over dual credit alone.
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So we just want to make sure that we are
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offering our kids the most rigorous experience in those courses.
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So they're going to be successful.
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I think about the kids, for example, who are going into
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premed or engineering programs,
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those kids who have had a PC C or A P physics
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or any of those advanced placement courses in the math and science,
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everybody else who's admitted to those programs from different states have
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had those most rigorous um A P options as well.
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So they go in
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at the same level of preparation
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for our kids who didn't have access to the A P,
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they're automatically at a slight disadvantage there.
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They're just not as ready or prepared for the rigor that
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some of those courses are gonna require those weed out courses.
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The intro,
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engineering, chemistry, biology kind of courses.
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So, what we don't want to happen is that our high ability kids who think
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they were all that in high school, you know,
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they were the top of the top and then they get to school and college and they think,
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oh my gosh, you know, everybody here is smart, I'm not as smart, I'm not as ready.
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Maybe I'll drop
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down in terms of my career as aspect um aspirations,
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maybe I won't go into engineering or I won't go into premed.
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We don't want that to happen. We just want to make sure that we have given them
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the appropriate level of preparation.
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So they can be as confident in their skills and abilities going
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into those classes as any other kid they might meet there.
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Ok.
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This is kind of piggybacking on that same conversation,
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making sure that we're having differentiated college and career guidance.
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I mean,
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I can sit here and talk to you about the
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importance of the difference between dual credit and A P.
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But kids don't understand that and families don't necessarily understand that.
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So making sure when we're meeting with them and the counselors are meeting
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with them that they're having these same discussions with the kids and families.
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So they understand and are guided to the right course selection.
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The same with the college application process.
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It's an entirely different process applying for selective colleges than it is
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for a typical or as not as selective um college application.
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So having those different conversations with kids and the
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idea of what is expected,
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what is the typical applicant who's successful
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applying to these schools look like?
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What kind of experiences, extracurriculars,
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leadership opportunities um have these applicants had that are successful?
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So our kids have a plan for that,
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we have those conversations early enough so that they can develop a course
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plan of study that will set them up to be a competitive applicant
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early on
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and that they have a sense,
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a realistic sense of what it's gonna take to be successful in that area.
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And then finally
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at the middle and high school level,
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making sure that we're having additional opportunities for connection.
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OK. We talked about this a little bit
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um with regard to
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services, grouping them together for home room and advisory. But
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are there other options or other opportunities
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for those kids to be together socially?
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So
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some districts, for example,
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I found it to be a good idea to have what's called a zero hour where they
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have a faculty member who is willing to come
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in early and meet with those kids informally,
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just open up his or her classroom,
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have them come in and they can either
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study together, prepare for quizzes.
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That they might have coming up or just talk and complain together about their,
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the the amount of work that they have and things that they have coming up.
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But just having that shared experience, kind of that foxhole mentality,
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we're all in it together
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can be a buffer against other influences
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that are, are forces that are kind of anti
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achievement, anti-intellectualism that kind of are happening on the periphery.
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So if we can kind of put these kids in a little bit of
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a protective bubble where they start to develop an identity of a high achiever,
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they have other kids who are in it with them, experiencing it together
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that might make it easier to resist some outside forces.
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That might be saying, why are you taking that A P class? Why are you doing that?
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Why aren't you having early release? Why aren't you doing this that or the other
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that's counterproductive to um developing their academic talents?
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So trying to find those informal opportunities for supports,
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maybe it's just, you know,
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every two weeks having an opportunity for a lunch seminar where they come
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in and you can just talk and eat together and talk about ideas or
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um areas of challenge they're experiencing
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um with a counselor over lunch.
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So just trying to think of ways in the
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day that we can offer some supplementary services that will
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help them feel connected to other high ability kids and
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feel that strong support network that they might need,
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especially if the,
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the attitude towards achievement or the culture towards
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achievement in their high school or their middle school
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might not be as supportive for
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um advanced opportunities as it might be in other districts.
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Ok.
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So these are just a few ideas to keep
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in mind for um thinking about expanding services.
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We're gonna talk about additional ideas when we cover some
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special issues or considerations for
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kids from traditionally underrepresented populations.
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So stay tuned for that. Thank you.
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