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Hi. My name is Christian said today I will be
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presenting the societal and communal guilt portion of our groups
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presentation. Um, so how we defined this form of guilt
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is feelings of guilt in the individual derived from being
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a part of or associated with a certain group.
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Um, this may seem vague until you kind of put
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it in context into the types of gill we're talking
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about, which include colonial, racial, national and gender based coat.
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All of which, uh, can inspire feelings of guilt in
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an individual which I derive from being a part of
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a larger group.
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Our associate it again.
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Ah, some places in the text and examples that we
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see in this and, uh, throughout the semester is in
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the first place.
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Heart of darkness.
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Marlowe feels an intense feeling of guilt just because, uh,
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well, portion because he sees courage as a role model,
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but also because, uh, he feels like he is part
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of the same organization of people is him.
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Ah. And after seeing all the wrongdoings he has committed
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against the pilgrims in the Congo, uh, he feels guilty,
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even though we had limited interaction with those people Also
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the fact that I was able to have such deep
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and, uh uh, let's say, explicit conversation with the people
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aboard of Steamship again.
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He's on a steamship for telling the story.
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To us.
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Ah is the fact it is a sign that it's
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a communal guilt because he is so able to share
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with other people.
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He feels that he may feel that these people have
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a mutual understanding or that they've gone through similar experiences,
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or that they are, to some extent responsible as well.
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Ah, for the wrongdoings of Kurds, et cetera.
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Ah, but to some extent it feels that way is
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able to share with us with them.
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And it kind of represents community killed another place we've
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seen. Ah, communal guilt is through Ah ah, India along
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the frontage road through Nikki and Nikki Father's experience with
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Andre and Andrei's father.
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Um, first, this is Nicky's first encounter with racism.
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Ah, his uncomfortable ity around Andre and Andrei's father is
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representative of is feelings of guilt.
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But, uh, the key thing here to see is the
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generational passing of guilt, the fact that the leg we
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so gagen so the long lasting effects of guilt which
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are also generational come from the fact that this form
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of guilt, uh is comes from the fact that, uh,
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it's sources so institutionalized, uh, in this case, racism Isa
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Soares. And because that is so institutionalised and meaning that
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it has its deeply engaged in the structure of how
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our civilization operates at this point, Um, it trying to
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phrase is very correct, please.
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So so again, because it's so institutionalised and so deeply
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ingrained in the structure of our society, it would be
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impossible for him to avoid it.
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Even in the daytime interactions has shown here, this is
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a day to day interaction and we can see here,
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uh, for ah, the passing of guiltier from Nicky's father
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to Nikki in this basically daily occurrence.
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And it shows the long lasting effects again of societal
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guilt, uh, and community moving on to ordinary love and
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goodwill. In the good road portion, we see again the
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passing of guilt from Bob to Tommy in this case
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and a much more explosive way.
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Bob physically punishes Tommy for his transgressions against the African
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American girl in his clothes, which secures that feeling of
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guilt and Tommy and represents a generational passing appeals in
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a much more to find way.
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Ah, but we also see socio economic jolt for in
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a in a mortified way again through bonds and security
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around that reactor.
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Mention girl's mother Uh, who you believe this rich is
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shown through his insecurity.
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And again, uh, is a form of communal guilt, uh,
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which he feels Ah, in his case is far more
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negative than positive in her gaze.
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Is Barbie more positive than negative?
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Um, Reon word to some of the key takeaways we
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could take away from this.
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So again we have some of the conflict.
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We talked about the long lasting effects, but we have
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a couple new things again the pros, the communicate ability
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of, ah, the feelings of guilt as well as a
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mutual understanding, which is president, as shown through Marlow and
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Hearted artist, which talked about but a couple different things
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that we haven't talked about.
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The fact that it's hard to separate yourself from those
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feelings of guilt when, uh or harder to separate yourself
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from an expectation of guilt as well when you were
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a part of these groups, as as opposed to when
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you are an individual or considered an individual of on
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the other side of that coin.
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Because you're part of a group, it might help you
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deal with those feelings of guilt and a better way
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because you are able to repent in its social way
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in a way where you can do it publicly and
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kind of deal with those and get confirmation acknowledgment from,
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Ah, now you're only your group.
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What other groups thank you for telling for your guilt,
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et cetera.
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Um, and so that might make it a little bit
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easier again when you're dealing with institutionalized nature and the
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organized nature of some of the talks were talking about,
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which include racism, pausing again when you're dealing with institutionalized
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topics such as racism, um, and deeply ingrained structures such
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as that it will often be harder to notice when
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you should feel guilty about things or when things go
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against your principles.
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Ah, which is even which is obvious with the meeting
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eating industry, or which is a great example with their.
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But it's also often harder to confront these things when
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you're doing with going as minority against majority of people.
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Uh, especially when you're part of a group is much
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harder to confront those problems in a meaningful way.
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Um, so the final lessons I want to get at
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our what I learned from Marlow sharing Marlowe sharing the
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emotions of the tense guilt with others can alleviate that
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stress. Talking about your stories talking about your experiences can
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make it a little bit easier on the other side
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of that coin.
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It's also were also because we're all part of groups,
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often blind Teoh things we should feel more we would
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otherwise from were guilty about, uh if we weren't, uh,
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in the perspective of a group or social norms that
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we are often blocked by, which prevent us from dealing
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with guilt in a meaningful way because the majority agrees
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with them.
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Um, but again, it's really important to remember that because
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you were part of a community because you are a
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part of society, if we can get over those obstacles
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of social norms, et cetera, then eventually we will have
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all the assistance we need to atone for guilt in
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a meaningful way and deal with those negative feelings as
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individuals and as a community, um, for a longer lasting
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period, with greater, more beneficial results in the future.
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Uh, thank you for listening
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