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Happily ever after part 1
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Chapter 1
00:26
Chapter 2
00:47
Chapter 3
00:56
Chapter 4
01:49
Chapter 5
02:35
Chapter 6
03:00
Chapter 7
03:24
Chapter 8
04:07
Chapter 9
04:53
Chapter 10
05:46
Chapter 11
07:18
Chapter 12
07:32
Chapter 13
09:09
Chapter 14
11:36
Chapter 15
13:22
Chapter 16
14:17
Chapter 17
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Mhm and they all lived happily ever after.
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Now, this type of conclusion is actually fairly newt, the
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entertainment industry or rather the genres of fairytale and pantomime,
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which is kind of strange when you think about it
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Now, future research that I wanted to conduct was to
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enter into this more and the ideas of how exactly
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have fairy tales and pantomime needed to adapt in order
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to fit within 21st Century Theatre.
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Now, as a logical starting point to this, as not
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everyone could have completely understand what fairy tales and pantomime
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are. Instantly, I would have to start off with a
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brief history of both subjects because it can be quite
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extensive now, starting off what is pantomime?
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Well, it's something that's actually rather hard to give one
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solid definition to as there is a lot of history
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to it and it continues to involve even as time
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goes by today.
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Originally, it had originated in mid 16th century Italy as
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committee and alert.
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And yet nowadays it's taken quite a term from the
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traditional slapstick comedy of the time.
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It's now reflects british traditions of family and as often
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occurs during the christmas season.
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For example, Charles dickens, dickens story of christmas, carol is
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one of the most common pantomimes that exists within today's
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society. So moving on, what exactly is a fairy tale?
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Well, there's a lot of definitions to it as they
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were once a form of critique from nobility.
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There are often used to teach specific values in a
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way that would catch the attention of all audiences, no
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matter the age group, the common characteristic of fairy tales,
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where the idea that there was anthropomorphized animals such as
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My Sad might have shirts on or top, Even talking
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animals or nobility were normally included in some shape or
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form entails.
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Our originally based on the contemporary imagination became later known
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as fairy tales.
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So that's all and good.
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But what's exactly the difference while at some point in
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the history of pants and pantomime, there is a scene
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or two where nothing is said.
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But his story is told through the actions of the
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actors and actresses and concepts that are often found in
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fairy tales can be included in pantomime, such as the
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anthropomorphized animals.
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Now moving on, I feel the need to talk about
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kind of like the big three names within these two
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genres as a whole and they are from left to
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right Charles Perrault, hans, christian Andersen and the brothers grimm.
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Now, who exactly they are.
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We'll get into shortly, Charles Perrault since existences.
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He was an influential figure in the court of King
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louis the 14th.
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He was the author of earlier versions of Cinderella, Little
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red riding hood and etcetera and key elements in his
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story or to show audience is the importance of wisdom,
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virtue, and obedience.
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So pretty much this was the guy that would often
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use his stories to teach lessons to the general public
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even though a lot of his stories were known to
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or more nobility due to his deep connection with them.
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Now moving on to hans christian Andersen, he was more
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so a novelist than uh being able to access the
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theater. The tales of his felt more compelling due to
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the personal history.
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Had him connect with the perspectives of the unfortunate and
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the outcast.
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His tales were meant for adults and Children but often
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had concepts that Children could not easily understand.
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And yet he's his tales also retained kinda like a
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almost shot like perspective that's still caught their intention.
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However, what is more commonly known for was the use
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of anthropomorphized animals.
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Now moving on to the Grimm brothers.
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These are sort of like the darker fairy tales as
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one might imagine.
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Or rather that is the first thought that some people
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could have.
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They actually originally started collecting tales in order to help
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friends with their projects and their tails remain the currently
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scientific collection of folk tales.
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And yet when you think about it, couldn't be, couldn't
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argue being made that some of the earlier story is
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we're if some of their earlier stores were performed, it
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could be seen as an early version of theater of
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cruelty. For example, the stepsisters in their version of Cinderella
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had cut off parts of their own feet in order
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to fit into the glass slippers, had their mother's mother's
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suggestion. Now moving on, the types of research that would
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be mandatory when conducting the search into the history, would
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be interviews in archival work.
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How and for each of them have their own set
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of problems.
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For example, with interviews, if you ask someone what exactly
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is pantomime, the most common answer you get, you would
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get what either be, oh, it's commedia Dell'arte or reflects
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british traditional values with very few people being able to
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answer any form of question of what happened to pantomime
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in between.
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You can also ask personal opinions about the three heads
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of the fairy tale and pantomime.
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And but personal opinions, we're are always going to be
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very different, which is why there's going to be a
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heavy reliance on archival work simply due to the fact
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that there is a lot of history that needs to
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be gone through.
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However, what what's limiting about this is that there's almost
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too much history to go through.
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For example, with the Grimm's brothers, you could do an
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entire presentation about the series of books that they created
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and how each version was kind of more light hearted
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than the last.
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Now, the next logical stuff after this is to talk
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about how society influences the story, because because, let's face
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it, this is what's normally happening these days.
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So in order to do this, you would have to
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take a focus on the rise of Disney amongst other
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companies due to the idea of how much of the
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connection Disney has and how much of an influence they
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have on stories as a whole.
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It's, there is some minor changes, but for for the
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most part, theatrical performances would uh would often have some
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90 of their material similar to what Disney and uh
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other giant entertainment industries have formed.
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But a good question to ask though, is how did
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they choose which story tales to base their fairy tales
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off of?
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For example, Disney's Cinderella was based off Charles Perrot's version,
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even though the story can actually be traced back to
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ninth century china.
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Was it due to popularity at the time?
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Because it would be, it is interesting to think about
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what have Disney actually chose to base their stories off
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of the work of the Grimm's brothers.
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That would be a lot darker tales.
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And how much of a change was the genre of
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pantomime in fairytales encounter as a whole?
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Due to companies such as Disney who now play a
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large role in the entertainment industry.
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Well, that means that needs to be answered through something,
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through something like a case study, an example of which
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is on this next slide, A case study of 1804
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Drewry Lane Cinderella.
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Now, this performance was based off the tail of chalk
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by Charles Perrault, but do the conflict conflict that was
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starting to rise up between Britain and napoleon's France.
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Everyone felt a need to remove as many french connections
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to the pantomime as possible.
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Moving on, what was weird, it was that venus in
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Cuban forced the prince to fall in love with whoever
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wears a specific dress in order to counter to stop
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his military ambitions and improve his romantic life.
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So when you think about it, uh our society is
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so used to everyone having a happily ever after.
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And yet in this case, does the prince actually get
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a happily ever after when he marries Cinderella?
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Did he fall in love with her as a person
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or did the gods venus and Cupid force him to
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fall in love with her?
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Everyone's happy?
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And yet there's no real mention of what the princess
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actual mental state is at the time.
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And going back to an earlier point that I mentioned
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that fairy tales in pantomime were a form of critique
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for nobility.
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Was the prince reflection of King George the third.
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During that time, King George had actually had a madness
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that was similar to the manic station of bipolar depression.
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Yeah, so the Prince falling under occurs.
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Could it actually be portrayed as kind of like a
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mood swing, which is which is very common with bipolar
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depression or bipolar disorder?
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Even the fact that the prince was a character that
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had no lines.
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Could it be shown as the concept between are the
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connection between nobility and the general public where the public
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actually knows who the princes, Even though the Prince never
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really says one word to them directly.
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That's it.
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And moving on from there, the types of research that
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would need to be performed for the viewpoint would be
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attending performances, conducting interviews and are once again, archival work.
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Yeah. Now attending performances that would that would have to
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That would mean that you would have to attend multiple
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performances of not exactly one specific show, but 11 type
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of show, for example, you would have to watch performance.
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You watch the performances, Cinderella, that might take place within
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today is Society, Another one which may take place within
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the 1980s.
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Now, moving on to interviews, that would probably the hardest
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type of research to conduct.
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Because in order to be successful interviews wouldn't even be
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set up with it.
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Bigwigs of the Disney Corporation, amongst others.
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Yet, it's not exactly as if there would be completely
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outright with Oh, yeah, we we know we had a
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heavy influence on, on the entertainment society and we know
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we're shaping it.
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It's gonna be hard to get a straight answer like
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that. Which is why it's back to a lot of
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archive archival work once again, just to just to see,
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oh yeah, the society of this time was reflected within
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this piece by this reason or in other words, archival
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work would be dedicated to getting a lot more case
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studies to provide examples in such.
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Now moving on or rather where to move on from
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here. Institutions exist, our pantomime and fairy tales even important,
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still important into a society.
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Well, personally, I like to think so because the pantomime
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and fairy tales used to teach us valuable lessons that
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we would take to heart.
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And yet nowadays it seemed more so as a money
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maker for the entertainment industry.
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So is it still important from a moral standpoint, or
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is it important from a monetary standpoint?
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And do older plays exist?
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That would be successful in 21st Century Theatre without having
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to be edited?
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Most likely that wouldn't be the case due to the
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due to our cancel culture society.
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What may have been completely fine in yesteryear?
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What someone would take offense to today and the future?
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Where will be presented and published?
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I like it to be in papers about committee and
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alert and papers about how theater survives in today.
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But more than likely this type of research would be
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presented within ted talks.
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Budget and considerations.
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Uh, budget would have to mostly go to archival work
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due to the facts of how heavy that it would
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be. And most of the budget would have to go
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to the interviews and attending performances.
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Now constraints there would be a lack of willing interviewees
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or repeated information gained from them.
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So
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