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Troy Day 1
Transcript of Troy Day 1
This shows how much emphasis the Greeks place on honor, since not having honor means that a person is essentially worthless Honor in "Troy" Opening Monologue Shows how much Achilles--and by extention, the Greeks-- are haunted by the thought of their names not being remembered throughout eternity Fight between Paris and Menelaos It is considered dishonorable for Paris to retreat from battle, even though he knows he's going to die if he doesn't
Paris is mocked for not accepting death and Helen is teased for choosing someone without honor instead of staying with Menelaos, who has honor End Monologue @ 3:50 This monologue shows how much weight is put on the idea of being honored and being remembered throughout time and having his name be synonymous with the time that he lived in Thetis convincing Achilles to head to Troy Thetis convinces Achilles to go to Troy by telling him that it's the only way he'll be remembered forever Production of Troy Directed by Wolfgang Peterson, also known for Air Force One, and The Never Ending Story
Filmed mostly in Malta, an island in the Mediterranean sea. The scenes showing the outer walls of troy were filmed in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico.
It was originally planned to be shot in Morocco, but tensions due to the Iraq War made it impossible
Peterson wanted accuracy. He had the set directors do tremendous research, via books and museums to make it as accurate as possible to the time and place.
Nigel Phelps, set designer, decided he wanted to create something of tremendous visual interest rather than being “bogged down” by historical accuracies.
Set design people actually made most set pieces substantially larger than real life because it looked “more majestic, more glorious.” The largest historical statue from that period was 10ft tall, they used 40ft statues in the film
no original props, furniture, or settings exist or could be used so everything seen in the movie was made custom
tremendous attention was on texture. Rubber molds were made of real surfaces in Malta. Examined every piece of grout between floor tiles. The set designer said that in any other movie a surface would look good on camera from 10ft away but as soon as you got close it was clearly fiberglass but on troy they still looked like stone leaning up against them. Mexico They chose Baja peninsula Mexico after one of the location people saw a photo of it on a coffee table.
There were big concerns for environmental damage, the mexican coast is habitat for endangered sea turtles, so in an effort to leave the area better than they found it, the crew made a turtle incubation nursery.
Because of the sudden location change, they hadn't been able to fully research the patterns of the beach, they came to shoot one morning and multiple ships were teetering on an edge where 10ft deep sand had washed away.
In the middle of filming Hurricane Marty hit Cabo San Lucas directly, wiping out huge portions of the set and ships. The cheapest way to make the set usable was to completely rebuild. Trojan Horse the horse was based on a sculpture of a gorilla made out of car tires and a photo of a burnt greek ship.
The full sized horse was made out of polystyrene and was 42' tall, weighed 12 tons. Incorporated many doors and hatches. A key design feature was that it had to be able to be dismantled so it could be shipped from England to Malta to Mexico. Burning the City the film makers felt that burning a city made entirely of stone wasn't believable so they intentionally used wooden stalls in the marketplace, scaffolding etc.
compared the fire to the scale of gone with the wind, except its controlled. Propane Special Effects tried to fill the frame as much as possible with real actors and real ships
built only 2 real ships, all the others were digital. Placed them on real oceans.
They removed 60% of the boats from the scenes because they were too busy and unrealistic.
Used wire mounted cameras to shoot long shots, spliced shots together to make them seem even larger
created custom software to allow digital extras to have artificial intelligence
used previsualization programs to simulate film shots without cameras Did "Troy" successfully portay honor as it is described in the Illiad?
Is honor in Greek culture the same as honor in America today? Burning of Bodies in Greek Culture Burning of bodies said first to be introduced by Hercules
Custom was used in Trojan War
Some Greeks viewed as cruel and inhuman
Became useful for two reasons: bodies were thought to be unclean after the departure of the spirit and needed to be purified by fire and that the spirit being separated from the inactive matter would better allow it to reach the heavens Burning in the Illiad In the Illiad, burning was only mentioned once, during Patroclus' funeral Burning in Troy In the movie, there are four instances of the burning of the bodies: Menelaos, Patroclus, Hektor, and Achilles Why do you think the producers of the movie chose to include the burning of bodies so many times? Do you think the significance of the burning of Patroclus' body in the Illiad was made less important in Troy due to the increased rituals portrayed in the film? The Real Troy The above pictures are depictions of how the real Troy would have looked. As one can see, this Troy is quite different from the city portrayed in the movie. For one, a 50-foot colossus wall does not surround the city. There is, however, evidence that the city of Troy utilized a ditch system, in which a big ditch encircled the city of Troy, preventing enemies from breaching the city. Also, there were only four points of entry into the city, which were heavily guarded. Movie Troy Major Differences between Troy and the Illiad/Greek Culture In Troy during the burials of Patroclus and Hector, individuals in the movie place two coins upon the deceased eyes. However, in actuality, Greeks placed coins into the mouths of the deceased as a payment for the “ferryman” to Hades. In Troy, the Greek army sets sail towards Troy, with a total of 1,000 ships and 50,000 men. However, the Trireme ships in the movie were not of Greek origin, but were actually invented by the Corinthians around 600 B.C. Achilles is dead before the delivering of the Trojan horse, however in the movie, Achilles is alive and well, for now, and is in the wooden horse to search for Briseis during the raid. In the Iliad, Patroclus is a good friend of Achilles, however, in the movie, he is Achilles’ cousin.
Troy depicts Briseis and Chriseis as one individual and also as a priest who is the cousin to Hector and Paris. In the Iliad, Chriseis is the daughter of a priest, and Briseis is Achilles' girl abducted by king Agamemnon. The fight scene between Hector and Achilles is quite different from the scene in the Iliad. In the book, Achilles is chasing the great Hector around the city of Troy three times. In the movie, however, the battle scene begins soon after Achilles yells Hector to come behind the walls of Troy. Religion In Trojan society, the gods were worshiped for their divineness, especially Apollo the sun god. In the movie, there are two times when the camera was purposely positioned to focus upon the sun. Why? Priam, in the movie, prays to Apollo in the temple.