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Brave New World Ch.17
Transcript of Brave New World Ch.17
-Mustapha Mond and John the Savage argue about the absent of God in the State
-Huxley shows a clear difference and clash between both their societies on moral values, freedoms and more while they converse
-as they continue to debate, readers realize that a personal freedoms come with a cost, losing comfort, as Mustapha Mond continuously
argues that the State controls their society for the stability and comfort for the happiness of the population Plot line Introduction Rising Action Climax Falling Action Conclusion “ ‘Anybody can be virtuous now. You can carry at least half your morality about in a bottle. Christianity without tears- that’s what soma is.’
‘But tears are necessary. Don’t you remember what Othello said? “If after every tempest come such calms, may the winds blow till they have awakened death”” (210) This quote further shows the contrasting characteristics and moral values between Mustapha Mond and John the Savage
Mustapha Mond connects religion and soma
he believes religion can only be part of a world where there is suffering, illness and aging
people take comfort in religion to find a sense of morality and goodness in their lives
he also mentions earlier that religion sacrifices a society that will advance in science or technology
he argues soma is better than religion because soma has the same effects of comforting and happiness one feels from religion but without any sacrifices or pain However, John argues that "tears" or pain and suffering is a necessity in life and you can grow from it
compares to "Othello", without pain or suffering that we endure in life our life in meaningless since you haven't experience a "true life"
John could be alluring that without suffering one cannot feel genuine happiness
in prior chapters, he openly expresses his disgust in this artificial world with millions of people who look alike
soma can be associated with "fake happiness" quote from this we can derive the theme: Humans tend to abandon everything they find unpleasant and how disposable everything is in "Brave New World"
By getting rid of living things so easily like flies or mosquitoes, it shows how little the State cares about living things
they also dehumanize people because of conditioning and in Ch. 10 it mentions how easily they can kill people and make mass copies of them right away, showing how little they care about human life
it also leads back to the Nine Year War, that was mentioned in the earlier chapters
this war lead to total chaos and they didn't want this to happen again whether it meant getting rid of flies/mosquitoes literally or metaphorically, controlling every single thing in the world “ ‘… and there aren’t any flies or mosquitoes to sting you. We got rid of them all centuries ago.’
The Savage nodded, frowning. ‘You got rid of them. Yes, that’s just like you. Getting rid of everything unpleasant instead of putting up with it.’” (210) quote Chapter 17 “ ‘Call it the fault of civilization. God isn’t compatible with machinery and scientific medicine and universal happiness. You must make your choice. Our civilization has chosen machinery and medicine and happiness. That’s why I have to keep these books locked up in the safe. They’re smut.’” (207) Mustapha Mond tells John that God doesn't exist in their society because the idea of religion doesn't relate or help advance in science, medicine, stability, economy or universal happiness
this shows to the readers that in "Brave New World" religion is replaced by science and technology
it also shows how the government uses technology/ science to control the population, since there are advangements in medicine (eg. Soma) and technology (eg: fertilizing eggs to make workers, "feelie movies") everyone can be happy without questioning the fact they are losing their personal freedoms
Huxley also shows how ironic that Mustapha Mond claims that religion or God doesn't exist in their society, but they seem to worship consumerism and material goods like it's a religion
in previous chapters, characters often say "Oh Ford!" which is very similar to "Lord", make "T" signs (For Ford's Model T) which seems like a cross and they have Solidarity Meetings to summon a greater being, similar to a religious gathering or ceremony quote Connections questions to consider... " 'What you need," the Savage went on, 'is something with tears for a change. Nothing costs enough here.' " (211) Why does John say.... By Aldous Huxley Setting: Mustapha Mond's Office
Characters: Mustapha Mond and John the Savage John and Mustapha Mond, the World Controller, continue their heated conversation about their views on the World State.
This time they are talking about religion: religion vs. happiness
John thinks that having a religion and being sad is more beneificial.
He believes that this is better than living in stability, no religion and being happy all the time.
Mustapha Mond thinks otherwise. Mustapha Mond makes John choose between a world with religion/ being sad or stability/ universal happiness.
John says, "But I don’t want comfort. I want God, I want poetry, I want real danger, I want freedom, I want goodness, I want sin." (211)
John claims the right to be unhappy. The falling action and conclusion are continued into Chapter 18. Text to Text:
In this chapter there was lot of classic historical religious books that was mentioned. But what really caught our eyes is the part where Mustapha Mond describes that religions are what people have made up to have something good to look forward to due to the instability of the old world. It suddenly reminded us is our grade 11 social class, the teacher had mentioned the fact that Christianity was made up due to the depression and famine during the earlier days. At that time people where poor and starving, many of them suicide or gave up on life because they have no hope in life. The government had noticed this big problem and so their solution was to “give everyone a second chance in life” which is religion. It promised the people a better afterlife to look towards, and gave them hope.
Text to World:
The theme of this chapter is the choice between stability and religion. As Mustapha Mond had argues that “people believe in god because they are conditioned to believe in god,” (pg.207). we think that this fact still applies to a large percent of our population. Many of us are brought up to love God and following his footsteps without ever knowing the reason why or even knowing what God is really like! What Mustapha is saying is that we are all conditioned to love God because we are told to do so for the sake of having something to look forward to due to the instability of our society, we need a higher power to give a solution to unsolvable problems. but John disagrees, he protested against Mond by telling him that what this world need is "something with tears for a change. Nothing cost enough here" (pg.211). This fact can also be applied to our world's religion, many of our religion believe we have to suffer or lose something in order to gain something else - a fair exchange. The more you gain the more you have to suffer in the long run, eventually you will have to pay back later on.
Text to Self:
Mustapha Mond's conversation with John reminds me a lot of the arguments my Dad and I have with my Mom. My Mom is Buddhist and very religious, however my Dad and I are not religious so it's very hard for us to understand her ways of doing things, just like how Mustapha couldn't understand all the unnecessary suffering John is willing to go through. I believe most of us are very much like Mustapha, we like to take advantage of things, or at least we think we are taking advantages of things, but only people like John will understand the more advantages you take the more you have to pay, therefore it's better to taste the bitterness first. Why does Mustapha Mond say... "The greatest care is taken to prevent you from loving any one too much." (209) “But I don’t want comfort. I want God, I want poetry, I want real danger, I want freedom, I want goodness, I want sin.” (211)