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Comparison between Catullus' Poems and Modern day Lyrical Po

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Comparison between Catullus' Poems and Modern day Lyrical Poetry

By: Lydia Hall

Catullus 70
My Woman says to me that there is none with whom she'd rather spend her days with than I, Should even Jupiter himself ask her to marry him, so she says, but often women life, what a woman says to a desirous lover, he should write in the wind and rapid water.
"When a Man Lies"
by R Kelly
How he makes her feel
When he look her in the eyes and tell her
I love you, yeah
He seems so for real
When he whispers and says
I'll never leave you, no
And he speaks them words to her heart
And make her feel like she on top
Of the world, yeah, oh my
Then turn around and break her heart
And make her feel like the whole world's on top of her, whoa
And now something other made me talk about it
Catullus 72
You used to say that you knew only Catullus,
Lesbia, neither did you wish to know Jupiter instead of me.
At that time I loved you not as the common crowd of men love a girlfriend
but as a father loves his sons and sons in law.
Now I know you: wherefore even if I burn the worse,
you are cheaper and of less meaning to me.
You say how can this be? Because a hurt of such a kind
forces a lover to love more, but to wish her less well.
Comparison between Catullus 70 and "When a Man lies"
In both Catullus 70 and "When a Man Lies" the author is talking about how their lover speaks to them like he/she loves them but then turns around and breaks their hearts. Both poems are implying that they are being lied to about their love.
Proof: In Catullus 70, Catullus says, "but often women lie" (line 4) Stating that although Lesbia is saying these things, Catullus does not believe her because often women lie to their lover.
Proof in "When a Man Lies": "When he whispers and says
I'll never leave you, no
And he speaks them words to her heart
And make her feel like she on top
Of the world, yeah, oh my
Then turn around and break her heart" Here, R Kelly is saying that the man is saying that he loves her and is making her feel like this, but truly when he walks away his love does not stay true to her.
Both poem and song suggest that the "love" from their lover is not true.
Lover, Lover
by: Jerrod Niemann
Comparison between Catullus 72 & "Lover Lover"
Both poems, are saying that they are done with not being loved right and that they are moving on and they are bitter.
Catullus 76
If there is any pleasure for a man in remembering former
good deeds, when he thinks himself to be dutiful,
nor to have violated a sacred trust, nor in any contract
of the gods abused divine power to deceive men,
much joy remains for you, Catullus, in this long life,
furnished from this thankless love.
For whatever man can either say or do well
for anyone, this has been said and done by you:
having been entrusted to an ungrateful heart, all that perished.
Therefore, why do you now suffer more?
Why not be obstinate in your mind and bring yourself back from thence
and cease to be unhappy in front of the unwilling gods.
It is difficult to set aside a longstanding love.
it is difficult, but let us do it at any hazard.
This is the only safety, and you must overcome this,
whether it is not possible or it is possible.
O gods, if it is your will to have pity,
or if you have ever brought your help to any already
at the extreme, in death itself, look upon my unhappiness and,
if I have lived life in a pure manner,
remove this plague and ruin from me,
which stealing upon me inmost as a lethargy in my limbs
expelled the happiness from all my heart.
I no longer ask for that, that she chooses me in return,
or, because it is not possible, she chooses to be chaste:
I wish that I myself be healthy and put aside this horrible disease.
O gods, give this back to me for my piety.

Lover oh lover
I know you used to love me in every way, but now I'm givin up
And I'm tired of cryin babe
I can't stand it no longer
It hurts me to say
I'm packin up my bags and goin far away
Lover, lover, lover
You don't treat me good no more
Lover, lover, lover
Proof in Catullus 72: "Because a hurt of such a kind forces a lover to no longer love, but to wish her less well" (line 7 & 8). Here, Catullus is saying that Lesbia has hurt him so bad that he no longer loves her and does not wish her well. He is bitter and done with her love.
Proof in "Lover Lover": "I know you used to love me in every way, but now I'm givin up And I'm tired of cryin babe I can't stand it no longer It hurts me to say I'm packin up my bags and goin far away" Here, Niemann is saying that he is tired of being upset over her love and he is packing up and leaving. He is DONE.
"The End"
by: Silverstein
The first time we met
Your face became etched
In my mind
You were the sun
I was the one
Who worshiped you.
My hands were your guns
Your eyes were my muse.
And I knew you could never love me
I had so much sorrow inside
You could never reach
But can I still keep
A place in your heart?
You broke my heart
You promised me the moon and stars
I fell for your dreams. I fell for your lies
There was no other way
You know I tried
And I knew you could never love me
I had so much sorrow inside
You could never reach
But can I still keep
A place in your heart?
There is something
I want you to know
I think you know exactly what it is
I didn't want to save you
I didn't want to save you
I set our house on fire
To watch it burn
But I couldn't just leave you there
This union, a battle fought and lost
This union was not about the cause
This union was never about love
Comparison between Catullus 76 & "The End"
In both Catullus 76 and "The End" the author is saying that they had done everything right that they could but their love was never enough, so now it is time to move on.
Catullus 85
I hate and I love. For what reason do I do this, perhaps you ask?
I do not know, but I feel
it happening and I am tortured.
Comparison between Catullus 85 and "I Hate That I Love You"
Proof in Catullus 85: "I hate and I love... I feel it happening and I am tortured."
Analysis: Catullus loves and hates Lesbia at the same time. He does not know why he does this and he is tortured.

Proof in "I Hate That I Love You": "I hate how much I love you boy (yeah)
I can't stand how much I need you (I need you) But I just can't let you go"
Analysis: Rihanna is saying that she hates how much she loves and needs this man. She feels trapped by her love for him. However, she cannot just let him go and this tortures her.


Proof in Catullus 76: "For whatever man can either say or do well
for anyone, this has been said and done by you:
having been entrusted to an ungrateful heart, all that perished. (lines 7-9)
Analysis: Catullus is saying that if anyone has done this, Catullus has, he gave all of his love to an ungrateful heart (Lesbia) and their love died..
Proof in Catullus 76: "It is difficult to set aside a longstanding love. It is difficult, but let us do it at any hazard. This is the only safety, and you must overcome this,whether it is not possible or it is possible."
Analysis: Catullus is speaking to himself. He is saying that it is difficult to end a long love, however, it must be overcome no matter how difficult it may be. Catullus is convincing himself to move on.

Proof in "The End": "You were the sun, I was the one, Who worshiped you. My hands were your guns, Your eyes were my muse. And I knew you could never love me, I had so much sorrow inside"
Anaylsis: Here, Silverstein is saying that he once did love and worship this girl, but she never could love him for that and because of that he is hurt. This is similar to the love that Catullus has for Lesbia. (Lesbia does not love him anymore)
Proof in "The End": This union, a battle fought and lost, This union, was never about love"
Analysis: Here Silverstein is saying that he fought for her love but never won it (his love was never enough). He truly loved her, but it was never about love like he thought. The end has come.
Catullus 101
Through many peoples and many seas have I travelled
to thee, brother, and these wretched rites of death
I bring a last gift but can speak only to ashes
Since Fortune has taken you from me
Poor brother! stolen you away from me
leaving me only ancient custom to honour you
as it has been from generation to generation
Take from my hands these sad gifts covered in tears
Now and forever, brother, Hail and farewell.
"I Hate That I Love You"
And I hate how much I love you boy (yeah)
I can't stand how much I need you (I need you)
And I hate how much I love you boy (ooh)
But I just can't let you go
And I hate that I love you so..

[Ne-Yo:]
And you completely know the power that you have
The only one that makes me laugh

[Rihanna:]
Sad and it's not fair how you take advantage of the fact that I
Love you beyond the reason why
And it just ain't right


Read more: Rihanna - Hate That I Love You Lyrics | MetroLyrics
Both Catullus 85 and "I Hate That I Love You" show that the author hates and loves their lover at the same time and they do not know why they continue to love them and they are tortured by this.
"Go Rest High On That Mountain"
by: Vince Gill
I know your life
On earth was troubled
And only you could know the pain
You weren't afraid to face the devil
You were no stranger to the rain

Go rest high on that mountain
Son, you work on earth is done
Go to heaven a shoutin'
Love for the Father and Son

Oh, how we cried the day you left us
We gathered round your grave to grieve
I wish I could see the angels faces
When they hear your sweet voice sing

Go rest high on that mountain
Son, you work on earth is done
Go to heaven a shoutin'
Love for the Father and Son
Comparison
Both poems are expressing their grieving for a loved one
Catullus 101: At a funeral, Catullus says, "Take from my hands these sad gifts covered in tears
Now and forever, brother, Hail and farewell."
"Go Rest High On That Mountain": Gill says, "Oh, how we cried the day you left us
We gathered round your grave to grieve"
"Hail and farewell" and "Go rest high on that mountain Son, your work here is done"
-last words of both
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