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Copy of Socrates and Thrasymachus

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on 23 September 2012

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Transcript of Copy of Socrates and Thrasymachus

Socrates Thrasymachus What is Justice? Justice is in the interest of the stronger Directs the conversation to the "just" interests of the government, not the individual. The power rests in those who create the laws. How do you define this? Socrates understands but points out that the importance of "of the stronger" Justice is in the interest of the stronger.
It is just for the subjects to obey their rulers.
On occasion, the state is liable to err.
Sometimes, the state is right, and at other times wrong.
When they make them right, they are in their interest. When they are wrong, they are against their interest.
Rulers may be mistaken about their own interest in what they command, and also to obey them is justice. Now the conversation is reversed. Thrasymachus agrees to all of the questions/statements. Polemarchus and Cleitophon agree with Socrates' point. And what of the Ignorant? would he not desire to have more than either the knowing or the ignorant?
And the knowing is wise?
And the wise good?
Then the wise and good will not desire to gain more than his like, but more than his unlike and opposite . The unjust goes beyond both his like and unlike? He pointed out that they never finished their conversation about injustice having strength He tells Socrates to not assume that he approves of it or that he does not have an answer for it. Socrates ask him whether the need of anything would be that which could not be accomplished, by any other thing? He ends that argument by saying that injustice can never be more profitable than justice.
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