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Monday 9 May 2022

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Aidan McMichael

CQD

CQD Titanic - Society Magazine

Issue 66 - May 2022

Issue 67 - October 2022

SS NARONIC

mysterious disappearance

& messages in a bottle

WHAT HAPPENED THE SS NARONIC ?

Question

..."WHITE STAR LINE's Ghost Ship..."

TITANIC TOGETHER

14th April 2022

SDTUERYUYJ

Titanic Together

  • Mark Chirnside - Proni
  • Mary South - Fred Simmonds
  • Charlie Haas - in conversation
  • Claes Wetterholm- in conversation
  • Ryan-Meister - TSAC talks

Titanic Together events

Events

Georgic 1895 [293]

Specification

Specification

Cevic 1893 [270]

Class

  • SS Naronic and SS Bovic
  • Cattle transporters on the North Atlantic run
  • Small passenger capacity
  • Large for cattle transporter

Specification

  • Naronic Class
  • Tonnage 6594 GRT
  • Length 470 ft (143.3 m)
  • Beam 53 ft (16.2 m)
  • 3 decks
  • 4 steel boilers
  • Twin reciprocating engines, twin propellers
  • Speed 13 knots (24.1 km/h)
  • Crew 50

Bovic 1892 [252]

BELFAST TITANIC SOCIETY

AGM

Vote of thanks

- Committee

- Vice Chair

- Co Chair

- President

All roles will roll forward for another year

Want to help out?

SOCIETY ACTIVITY

Activity

  • CQD EDITORIAL TEAM
  • MAILCHIMP ADMIN
  • POSTAGE/MAILING
  • FAMILY HISTORY
  • INQUIRIES
  • REPRESENTATION eg Maritime Belfast Trust, Titanic Titanic Belfast etc
  • BANKING
  • MEMBERSHIP
  • GALA DINNER
  • COMMITTEE MEETINGS
  • BADGES
  • ANNUAL COMMEMORATION Joint with City Hall
  • SPEAKERS/MONTHLY TALKS
  • TITANIC TOGETHER

Close

CLOSE

THANK YOU FOR SUPPORT!

See you in Sept - hybrid approach jointly with PRONI

Maritime Belfast festival

Talks: October - December

Bottles and messages !

The

Bottles

THE 4 BOTTLES

THE BOTTLES

BOTTLE MESSAGE ONE

Then the mystery begins. On March 3, 1893, twenty days after her Liverpool departure, a bottle washes up on the shores of Bay Ridge, New York Bay. A man named William Clare spotted an old yellow bottle stamped John Hagg 113th St NY, NY on its bottom. He noticed a piece of paper inside that turned out to be a torn page from a book. Scribbled on the page were the words:

"Feb. 19, 1893- Naronic sinking. All hands praying. God have mercy on us." The message was signed "L. Winsel." Could this "L. Winsel" have been John L. Watson, crew member?

Clare gave the bottle to a Bay Ridge police captain named Kenny (of the 18th precinct) and never heard about it again.

The message ended or was signed "T" The Closest match here is William Tobin, Cattleman or Christopher Tesch, crew member.

Bottle 2

BOTTLE MESSAGE TWO

On March 30, 1893, at a summer resort at Ocean View Virginia, a night watchman named William Johnson found a champagne bottle on the beach that had several corks tied around its neck. A message inside read:

"3:10 AM Feb.19. SS Naronic at sea. To who picks this up: report when you find this to our agents if not heard of before, that our ship is sinking fast beneath the waves. It's such a storm that we can never live in the small boats. One boat has already gone with her human cargo below. God let all of us live through this. We were stuck by an iceberg in a blinding snowstorm and floated two hours. Now it's 3:20 AM by my watch and the great ship is dead level with the sea. Report to the agents at Broadway, New New York, M. Kersey & Company. Goodby all."

The message is signed, "John Olsen, Cattleman." There is no Olsen on the passenger or crew list list. The closest names to "John Olsen" would be John Watson and John O'Hara, both Cattlemen.

Bottle 3

BOTTLE MESSAGE THREE

In June, 1893 a boatman in the Irish channel found a bottle bobbing up down in the water against the bank. A message found in the bottle read:

"Stuck iceberg: sinking fast: Naronic

The message is simply signed: "Young" There is no" Young" on the passenger or crew list.

Bottle 3

Bottle 4

BOTTLE MESSAGE FOUR

On September 18, 1893 the London Times (named The Times in 1893) reported a 4th bottle found floating in the Mersey River. Written on two thin slips of wool were the words:

"All hands lost; Naronic; No time to say more....T"

SS NARONIC

Life details

  • Harland and Wolff, Belfast, Ireland
  • Yard No 251
  • Launch date - 26 May 1892
  • Completed - 11 July 1892
  • Maiden voyage - 15 July 1892
  • Disappeared after 11 February 1893

Life

Disasters of the

White Star Line

DISASTERS OF THE WHITE STAR LINE

1873 Atlantic lost near Halifax NS, 585 lives.

1893 Naronic lost mid Atlantic, 74 lives

1907 Suevic ran aground off England, but in the largest rescue 456 passengers and 141 crew members were rescued. .

1909 Republic 4 lives

1911 Olympic collision with the warship Hawke in the Solent

1912 Titanic lost after colliding with an iceberg, 1,502 lost

1915 Arabic (II) torpedoed off the Old Head of Kinsale Ireland 44 lives

1915 HMHS Britannic, lost after striking a mine in the Kea Channel off Greece.21 lives

1915 Ionic narrowly missed by a German torpedo in Mediterranean

1915 former Germanic (then in service as a Turkish troop transport) was torpedoed by the British Submarine E-14.

1916 Ceramic narrowly missed by two torpedoes from unidentified U-boat in Mediterranean

1916 Cymric torpedoed 3 times and sunk by U-20 - 5 lives.

1917 Laurentic (I) stuck two mines laid by German submarine U-80 and sank 354 lives.

1917 Afric was torpedoed and sunk by the German coastal minelayer sub, UC-66, in English Channel, 22 lives

1917 Ceramic was narrowly missed by one torpedo from unidentified U-boat in English Channel.

1917 Delphic was torpedoed 135 miles off Bishop Rock by German U-boat UC-72 and sank 5 lives

1918 Justicia (owned by the British Government and managed by White Star) torpedoed twice by U-46 but she remained afloat. Later in the same day, she was torpedoed two more times by U-46 and again managed to stay afloat. In the next morning, she was tow by HMS Sonia, she was torpedoed two more times by U-124 and she finally sank, 16 lives.

1918 Persic torpedoed by U-87 off of the Scilly Islands

1918 Olympic she rammed and sank the U-boat U-103 which had tried, and failed, to torpedo her. I

1917 Celtic mined laid by U-88 near Cobh, Ireland, 17 lives

1934 Olympic while steaming in fog she rammed the Lightship Nantucket, sinking it 7 lives

1940 Runic (II) the Norwegian whale factory New Sevillla) was torpedoed and sunk by U-138 off of the Irish coast 2 lives.

1940 Laurentic (II) torpedoed and sunk by U-99 off Northern Ireland 49 lives.

1942 Zealandic (by then owned by Shaw, Saville and Albion and in service as a dummy aircraft carrier) was torpedoed and sunk by U-106 after going aground off of Cromer, England 73 lives

1942 Medic (by then the Norwegian whale factory Hektoria) torpedoed and sunk in North Atlantic Ocean by U-608 12 lives.

1942 Athenic (by then the Norwegian whaling ship Pelagos) torpedoed two times and sunk by U-69 4 lives

1942 Ceramic (by then owned by Shaw, Saville and Albion) was torpedoed three times and sunk by U-515 656 lives

Source

Titanic.fandom.com/wiki/White_Star_Line

110th Anniversary - Commemoration at City Hall

April 15 2022

#110

Theories

DISAPPEARANCE

DISAPPEARANCE

  • Departed final voyage on Feb 11 1893
  • William Roberts WSL veteran 20 years experience
  • 10 horse traders
  • 14 cattle man
  • 50 crew
  • 3,572 tonnes general cargo
  • 1,017 welsh coal
  • Point Linnus Wales dropped off harbour pilot
  • 11 days was longest trip

Losses in February

Shipping losses North Atlantic

February losses 1856 -1902 N Atlantic

February,1856, the SS Pacific sails from Liverpool for New York, carrying 351 passengers & crew disappears without a trace.

February,1896, the SS State of Georgia, sails from Aberdeen to Boston carrying 185 passengers & crew disappears without a trace.

February,1899, the SS Alleghany, sails from New York for Dover; carrying 221 passengers & crew disappears without a trace.

February,1902, the SS Huronian, sails from Liverpool for St. John's --carrying 366 passengers & crew disappears without a trace.

So what did happen the Naronic?

Anarchist - explosives - US Alibi

Captain of the White Star Liner Runic told a Liverpool newspaper reporter that it was possible that one of Naronic's engines could have malfunctioned resulting in a piston being shot down through her hull that would in-turn result in her sinking almost immediately!

No debris wreckage - there would have been a lot of wreckage in an explosion - GESSLER ROSSEAU, the dynamiter

A contributory factor? There were reports of ice

Ice Berg

What did happen Naronic?

Hurricane

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE NARONIC

Titanic Whitestarships.com

"Allen liner Pomeranian - 4th March ...run into hurricane which carried away her bridge and chart-house, swept ten people over the side and injured the captain and one of the passengers "

Not hurricane season - a storm?? Was she top heavy? Was she carrying explosive materials?

Lifeboats

Why only 2 lifeboats found? No bodies found...oar position

Inquiry dismissed the bottles - names don't match manifest (mistakes).

Bottles

Summary

SUMMARY

  • What would the prankster/s have faked the bottles?
  • Something went terribly wrong but with no trace the incident must have been speedy
  • No radio or signalling possiblities
  • In heavy storms a lifeboat would likely have been upturned increasing chances or no survivors

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