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Counter Argument

Made By:Shreya V.,Ryan H.,Derion P, Shriya S.

"They were...seriously concerned over their music and songs..."Which is not giving them a proper education.

"They were suppose to alleviate there hunger by stealing something." If they were caught stealing, they would get whipped for doing what they were supposed to.

"Instead of softening the boys feet with sandals, Lycurgus required them to harden their feet by going without shoes" If they got hurt walking without shoes and they went into battle,they would not be as strong as they would be.

"The boys of Sparta were lashed with whips during the entire day at the altar of Artemis Orthia, frequently to the point of death, and they bravely endured this, cheerful and proud, vying one another... as to which one of them could endure being beaten for the longer time and the greater number of blows." They had no value of life.This is why the weaknesses outweigh the strengths.

According to J.T.Hooker in document A "A [Spartan] father had no right to decide whether to rear his newly born baby or not. He was obliged to take the baby to the elders of his tribe for inspection. If they were satisfied that he was strong and healthy, they gave it back to the father to be brought up;if not they ordered it to be exposed [left outside to die]." These few sentences tell us that the Spartans had little value for life. Also as the text states "Boys were encouraged to steal food for the mess, but if caught stealing they were whipped." Whipping the kids is not a nice way to punish a kid. Surely there are other ways to punish them. Also stealing is a very bad habit, so they [Spartans] should not encourage the kids to steal.

Our argument is that in Spartan education the weaknesses outweigh the strengths.

In Spartan education the strengths do not outweigh the weaknesses because of evidence provided in documents A,C, and D.

Education in Sparta:Did the Strengths Outweigh the Weaknesses?

According to document C the Krypteia killed any helots they caught. Often they made their way across the fields and caught the strongest and best helots. Cruel acts of this sort was first practiced[as the text says] "After the earthquake when the helots... rebelled(in 464 BCE), devastated their territory, and threatened the city(Sparta) with considerable danger." Even if they rebelled once that doesn't give them an excuse to kill so many helots. There could be other ways to control them without all the killing. They could only punish those who rebelled and leave the innocent alone.

According to document D "[The Spartans] learned to read and write for purely practical reasons:but all other forms of education they banned from the country, books and treatises being included in this as much as [foreign teachers]." This is one of the main weaknesses in Spartan education, being that they had such narrow education. Another thing is[as said in the text]" The boys of Sparta were lashed with whips during the entire day at the altar of Artemis Orthia, frequently to the point of death, and they bravely endured this, cheerful and proud, vying one another... as to which one of them could endure being beaten for the longer time and the greater number of blows." Just like document A this tells us that the Spartans had no value for life. This is one of the most profound weakness of all of the ones that they [the Spartans] had.

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