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as BTB marketers.
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We are certainly no strangers to change.
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You. Look at all of the change that we've had
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to deal with in the last few years.
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There's taking on more responsibility for technology.
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There's customer experience.
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There's working with HR with developing brand purpose and employer
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branding, and it just keeps getting bigger and bigger.
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Our customers change our employees, change our markets, change, our
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companies change.
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And now we're in the midst of incredible change with
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a pandemic.
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The advice that we've gotten for many years is that
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we have to focus on the process.
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Is the people in the technology now?
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I know a lot of companies have invested a lot
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of time to really be meticulous about the processes they
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developed so that they're certain to be responsive and to
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be able to get input.
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And they're effective for the B two B marketers who
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use them.
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Then we look at technology and really what we do
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is professionals is significantly different because of all the tech
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stacks we have and the insights that it now gives
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us about how customers behave and the things that they
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dio. But the one thing that has been grossly neglected
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is the people part.
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And when we look at how things are changing for
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B two B marketers, it's certainly true that we all
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feel like we're in a pressure cooker and I don't
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work for HR.
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But I do have a lot of clients who asked
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me to review resumes of the people who apply for
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the positions that we have.
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And there's an interesting thing that I see, as marketers
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are trying to show that the more creative that the
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more innovative that the more able to respond to all
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of this change that we have going on around them.
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And one of these things is how they talk about
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the work that they dio.
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These job titles come up that are really different and
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sometimes pretty obscure, like this one.
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For a marketing Jedi to describe work as a marketing
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manager or you look at this one for the new
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media guru who's a digital marketing manager.
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There's this one for the director of fun, and I
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always think I see this on resumes not too infrequently,
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and I think that these people probably have never worked
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in marketing before.
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If this is what they think marketing is about.
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Then you look a job titles like the Digital Overlord
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for the website manager or this one.
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The part times are you know, I'm never really quite
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sure what kind of work either are they looking for,
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or do they think that they're getting into?
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So with all of these, what's happening with these job
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titles and what marketers air trying to dio is that
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there's so much focus on the project and there's not
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enough emphasis on the people.
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And this is really crucial as we look at, how
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do we start to deal with all of this pressure
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that we're in right now?
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And one of the things that we absolutely have to
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start to Dio is that we have to look at
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the teams and how we architect him differently.
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We have to rethink how we look at teams, so
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I want to clarify something here that's pretty important as
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we start out and that's the difference between a role
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and an archetype.
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And now, as you can see here, I define a
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role as this is behavior that's assumed by a particular
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position. So if you're a digital marketing manager, there's certain
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behavior that's expected of you in that position.
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If you're a chief marketing officer, definitely different behavior.
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Ah, content marketer demand gen Marketer.
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You can see that each of these labels thes roles
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implies that there is specific behavior that we expect from
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now. On the other hand are archetypes and archetypes.
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Our behavior that's natural to all of us.
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It's just how we show up in the world.
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So one is behavior based on a specific position, and
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the other is behavior.
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That's very natural to us now.
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This is important as we look at building our B
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two B marketing teams because when we have an open
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position, what do we dio we call HR and we
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say, Can you send over that job description for the
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whatever job you're looking to fill and you go through
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it, you updated, you add a few things to it,
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and by the time you're done, it's this really long
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list like you can see here, and the reason that
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we do that is because we're trying to throw as
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many things into ah, job description as we possibly can.
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That way we can guarantee or, you know, tried to
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ensure that in six months the person who we hire
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doesn't come back to us and say, You know what?
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This isn't the job that I thought it was going
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to be, and I'm going to give my notice because
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it takes a lot of time and a lot of
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effort to bring people onto teams.
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But look at what we're doing.
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Look at what we're putting candidates through all of these
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things that we expect them to live up Thio and
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you look a TTE job title Our job description after
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job description and what do we see?
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Emphasized? It's the role.
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You can see that right here for this digital marketing
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manager, front and center.
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There are things that are highlighted about the role.
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The role is an important leadership position.
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We're looking to drive all aspects of digital demand.
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Generation will have ownership delivering adapt digital content, these air
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all behaviors that are expected of the person in this
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role. Now here's another one.
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For a content marketing manager you can see again here.
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Towards the end, there's an emphasis on the role.
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What behavior are they expecting the person to exhibit once
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they're in this position?
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But when we look at what happens when we continue
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to focus on people based on job titles.
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And just on the roles is that this is a
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huge contributor to why we have silos in our organization.
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Now, if you look at just some of the main
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areas that we have in marketing, you look a TTE
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the digital team.
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And if you go to the digital team and you
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say I want a landing page, I wanna change some
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copy on a Web page they say, like, No, this
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is our area that it doesn't match our criteria requirements.
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You can't have it done.
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And then you look at you know, the content team
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and the content team will say, Well, it doesn't fit
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into our editorial calendar.
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It doesn't follow our story format.
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No, that's, you know that that just doesn't work for
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us. You look at the demand Gen team and the
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demand gen team.
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Oh my gosh, Sometimes those people are like wolves.
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They are so serious about making sure they get all
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of their qualified leads in, and the campaigns that they
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have going, they don't have time for anybody else, and
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then you look at the product team, and I know
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I talked Thio.
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I would say dozens of marketers who say we had
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a product team who launched something and we never knew
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anything about it until it was already out the door.
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You know, that's crazy.
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They're all in their own little silo.
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And then we get Thio, the brand team, the brand
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team who are the people who say yes or no
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to everything that has a company name or logo or
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tag line on it.
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And I kid you not.
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I have a friend who went in to sit down
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with the head of Brand.
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He worked in content, but he went toe to meet
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with the head of Brand about some things he was
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wanting to try, and when they both went into her
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office and sat down, he looked at her across the
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desk and she looked at him and said, This is
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where dreams go to die Now we look at all
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of this in these attitudes in these territories.
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In these job roles, it's no wonder that we have
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such a struggle with the silos within our organization, but
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what we have to start to do is understand that
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there is a different aspect and additional aspect, and that's
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about the archetypes and how people show up.
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Because this is how we start to align teams around
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bigger goals, bigger purposes and bigger things that were able
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to accomplish, because when teams are truly aligned, they become
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absolutely fearless.
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And here's one thing I know is that I know
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everybody. All of you have been on a team at
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one time or another when everybody just really sink and
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you loved going to the meetings.
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You love going to work every day because you were
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excited about what could be done, and you were proud
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of the quality and the challenges that your work was
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able to deliver because of this team.
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Now that doesn't mean that the work was easy.
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It doesn't mean there wasn't pressure with deadlines.
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But when you are together and lined as a team,
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you are significantly more creative and in the long run
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you are so much more successful.
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So that's why we need to start to look at
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how do we rethink teams now as we do this,
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an important aspect that is really coming into the work
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of B two b marketers is innovation and we look
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at innovation and there's lots of times where we say,
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Well, that's somebody else's job or that's not what I
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dio or you know, I'm not a design thinker.
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I'm not an engineer.
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I'm not a lot of other things that people associate
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with being part of the innovation team.
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But to be honest, if the only thing you do
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is look at a specific group to be the innovators
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in your organization, you will always struggle.
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And especially for B two B marketers, we are that
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voice of the customer and we have so many opportunities.
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Thio innovate the processes that technologies how we work with
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each other, how we surprise and delight customers, and what
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it's important to do is start to look at.
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How is it that people do actually innovate?
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And now, in the research that I've done, I've discovered
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that there are six different types of innovators and that
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everybody is an innovator.
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It's just often we don't understand how we come up
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with ideas, how we work things through in our heads
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and how we like to see work executed.
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So in looking at these six archetypes.
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Let's start with the Strategist.
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Now The Strategist is a job title that isn't unf
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Amillia er to marketers.
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You know, we have digital strategist content, marketing strategist demand
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Gen strategist.
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What's behind the natural talent of a strategist is that
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they are naturally except excellent at planning and executing the
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work they love to get things done.
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They readily accept accountability for innovating the things that are
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going on because they are able to really know and
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understand the big picture.
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And they have this knack for being able to just
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shepherd work through the process and out the door because
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they understand how important it is to deliver value.
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And that's really what they look for in every aspect
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of the work that they dio.
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And when you look at you know who can we
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get to help us launch this new idea, you know,
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see all the details through and help us plan.
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People always go to the strategists Now this is something
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that is very positive, their ability to plan and execute.
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But sometimes when they get blinders on, they can get
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so focused on that that they forget that there's another
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aspect and they become too rigid in the work that
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they dio.
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And when that happens, a strategist needs to look for
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a culture shaper toe, help them partner to move innovative
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ideas and concepts through the organization.
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Now ah, culture shaper.
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They are natural at communicating change.
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So these are the people who really are able Thio
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architect. How the brand shows up and oversee its expression,
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especially, is your morphine or iterating the brand and making
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sure that it's, um, current and relevant to the work
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that you're doing and into customers.
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So they sculpt that image and the perception of innovation
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both for marketing and organization organization itself.
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And they're able to see across the company this big
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range of what people know and what's important for the
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company to share.
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Now, with the culture shapers comes the rise of the
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storytellers. These are the people who are able Thio really
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build and sustain this story arc over a long period
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of time.
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Now they understand how to take that narrative and infuse
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this into an organization, so it helps usher in change,
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so employees are less, uh, threatens.
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They see it as less of a risk, and it
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activates their trust and their participation.
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They wanna be a part of change, and it really
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brings up the courage in them.
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Now. Culture shapers are amazing people, storytellers, but sometimes they
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get so focused on communicating the change that they lose
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sight of what the change is all about.
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And that's the people.
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And that's where the psychologist really comes into play.
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So the psychologist is so natural at being bringing empathy
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into the equation, and especially for traditional approaches to innovation,
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that air really highly rational, with lots of data and
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lots of models and things like that.
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They completely smash that point of view because they understand
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the idea of unstructured innovation where they look at, how
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does everybody perceived this idea from every different direction?
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You know, what's it like to be the customer of
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this idea?
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And they really pushed to understand that emotional implications.
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And they know what this evolving role of trust means
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not just in innovation but also in business itself.
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One of the things that psychologists hate thio here is
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it's not personal, it's just business, and it is true.
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Sometimes psychologists can get so hooked up, hooked on the
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people part that they need help moving.
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Thio get ideas executed, and so what they need help
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with is looking for someone who can help orchestrate the
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work. And that's where the orchestrator comes in.
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Because their natural geniuses that they are fearless leaders, they
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are able to choreograph the process and really keep things
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coming. Um, they see things from the customer's point of
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view and are always looking at it and advocating.
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For that perspective.
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They know how to establish relationships earlier in the process,
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whether that's internally, to maneuver things and help with the
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political stepping stones or externally, with customers with prospects, prospects
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with partners, whoever it may be, they really drive relationships
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and the reputation of innovation within a company.
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And these are the linchpins who know how to build
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consensus and really get things done.
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But again, I mean, everybody has a downside of how
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they show up in the world and for the orchestrator,
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they can focus so much on the fearless leadership that
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they don't realize that it really is about bringing people
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together. And that's when they need to look for help
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and support from a collaborator, because a collaborator knows how
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to integrate all of the parts and pieces they love
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to get involved with the process and help improve the
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idea, improve the ideas and then get behind them in
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champion, um to show other people the value and and
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the potential that's there.
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They know how to capture the attention of other groups
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and really look for blind spots.
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And they could do that because they know how to
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nurture relationships and get people to open up and share
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their opinions.
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Now they're able to help create more powerful ideas, and
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that increases the chances of their success.
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And they could do that because this is an archetype
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that really cares less about getting personal credit for an
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idea, and they're really looking about how can we build
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more bonds?
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But they can focus so much on making sure that
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everybody agrees, and there's alignment and consensus and everything that
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they're working get kind of flat.
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And when that happens, they need to look for those
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provocateurs that people who are always challenging the status quo
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and these are people who are nonconformist thinkers.
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And there they look at these long held assumptions and
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they say Why?
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Why do we do this, why do we believe it?
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What's behind all of this?
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And they're really great and generating a lot.
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They're prolific at generating highly original ideas and looking at
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how the business can be transformed in all areas, not
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just marketing.
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And we know that marketing seeps into so many other
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areas of the business, and they're very good at that.
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And it's their ability to have this unconventional way to
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solve problems and their novel thinking that helps fight the
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organizational inertia.
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And they can push past the obvious things and just
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continually i d eight things that solve problems.
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Now there is the one thing that provocateurs hate Thio
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here is that's good enough like, let's let's just move
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on. It's it's okay because they know that there's always
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something better that could be done, but it drives everybody
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else crazy because they're all full of ideas.
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But they never get anything done.
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And that's when we come back and we're full circle
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and we start right back up here with the Strategist
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because what provocateurs need help with is the strategy, somebody
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who can help them plan and execute so that ideas
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go through to execution.
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Now you can see this was a kn easy circle
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to follow the way around to see how everybody has
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their strength.
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That helps pull people forward.
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But everybody else also has a strength that they can
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reach back and help somebody with.
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To bring cohesion to a team, to make an idea
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stronger, to make coming up with ideas a lot easier
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and to make the chance of success much higher.
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Now everybody always asks me, Can I be more than
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one archetype?
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Because I really see myself in a couple of them.
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And the truth is, everybody has one main core archetype,
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one primary archetype.
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There are some people who have may may have a
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secondary one that's very close to it and sometimes on
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occasion, maybe just a hint of a third.
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But for the people who say I really see myself
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in all six of those, this is What's going on
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is that you have been able to become so flexible
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and you are able to recognize situations when there is
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a gap in one of these archetypes and you have
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stepped in and fill that gap.
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So you know how to think like that archetype to
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perform like that archetype to really help shore up ideas
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and make concepts stronger and bring more innovation, bring more
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creativity to the work that you dio.
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Now I have people who will ask me.
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Okay, I don't have any idea how my team all
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look, so I'm going to give you a little hint
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into what what this research has looked like for me
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for the last 18 months.
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So I've had marketers B two B marketers from all
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over the world.
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Thousands of them take this assessment and this is how
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the breakdown is coming out right now.
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And I'll tell you, it doesn't matter how many take
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it and how long I wait and I look at
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the results.
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They're always within about one or 2% of these percentages.
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So let's walk through these really quick, um, the strategy.
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So as we said, we know the strategists are the
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people were familiar with having on a team.
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We know what they dio, and it's it's familiar.
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We know why we value them.
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We look at the culture shapers, and I think, especially
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since we have more marketers focusing on the storytelling and
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the rise of the storytelling we can understand.
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We can understand why this percentage is what it is,
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you know, almost 1/4 of marketers.
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Then we look at the psychologist, especially as we look
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to bring more empathy.
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Mawr emotion into the work that we do is be
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to be marketers.
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We see this percentage here.
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But an interesting thing is that between the culture shapers
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and the psychologists, we have 48% of the B two
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B marketing population who have been surveyed.
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That's, Ah, heavy amount.
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Now, do you think that you are actually seeing that
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much storytelling, that much empathy coming out in the work
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that you're doing?
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It's an important question to ask whether it's you individually
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or whether it's you.
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As a B two B marketing team.
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Across, however, many different groups and departments and sizes that
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you have in your B two B marketing team.
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Now the one thing that was really interesting was moving
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into the orchestrator because only 6% of people are registering
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as these orchestrators or these fearless leaders.
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Now, this is an important thing for B two B
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marketers to pay attention to, because even if this isn't
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your natural way to show up in the world.
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It's an important characteristic toe.
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Understand, that's very important.
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We've heard for a long time that marketing has a
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marketing problem, and perhaps some of that is because marketers
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aren't quite as fearless as they would like to think
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that they are about having conversations about having them earlier
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in the process about talking things all the way through.
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This is where orchestrators really come in and help our
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case. Now we move on to the collaborators.
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These are the people who help us be more successful
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with the teams with HR, with finance, whoever it may
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be. And then we look at the provocateurs.
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I mean, we know the provocateurs in our world because
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they're always the one in a meeting who won't quit
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talking. Now we look at this and it's very interesting
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because what I want you to start to pay attention
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to is how often do you see each of these
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archetypes show up on your team?
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How often, regardless of what architect you are?
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Are you really stepping forward and bringing forth thes positive
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characteristics in your archetype?
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Because here's why it matters.
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People want to be themselves when they come to work
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no different than when they're not at work.
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And when they don't when they feel like they have
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to suppress these conversations that come naturally to them.
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Or they think that they have to subdue part of
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their personality like it's not okay to be that person.
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Wherever you work, it really hinders things because you don't
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get input into conversations that would be very beneficial.
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And there could be times where these same people start
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to undermine the work that's being done.
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Maybe they don't work is hard.
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Um, you know, you could put ah traditional corporate label
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on it and call it disengagement.
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And we've seen this Gallup statistic for many years that
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disengagement costs companies 400 to $500 billion a year.
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And I would say 2020 of all of the years
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is when we need to make sure that all of
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our employees, particularly our marketers, are highly highly engaged.
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Now you're probably looking at this going.
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I don't have any idea where my team is, you
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know, in my doomed what is it that I have
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to dio?
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So there are three things that you can do right
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now that will help you understand how to uplevel your
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team to make them so much more creative with just
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a little bit of effort.
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The first thing is to benchmark where your team is
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right now.
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How many of each of the archetypes do you have
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on your team?
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You know, and you can start to break it down.
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How? Maney on the content team.
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How maney on the digital team demand Gen brand.
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Whatever your marketing group looks like, you may be a
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marketer of one marketing department of one That's totally fine.
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But understand where you are right now and then The
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second thing is, look at you know who can I
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start to partner with to fill in these gaps that
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I have?
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It could be marketers from another team.
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It could be archetypes from a completely different department.
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And the interesting thing is, once you start to identify
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them, you see how they bring these positive aspects forward
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into the teamwork and the idea work that you're trying
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to do as marketers.
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Now, the last thing that you do is you look
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at how can I partner with these people?
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Because the important part of knowing who these people are
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is to begin toe work together with them because this
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is how you bring more ideas that are better ideas
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to the table.
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And this is the key to being able to design,
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to nurture and truly lead Ah, highly creative and highly
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successful B two B marketing team, because that ability to
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start out to understand what kind of an architect you
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are, what kind of an innovator you are, gives you
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a lot of understanding about your behavior.
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And then as you start to look at the other
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people on your team, Ah, lot of things begin to
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click, and the whole dynamic of how you interact and
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how you succeed becomes completely different.
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So this one degree of change can make 180 degrees
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change in the outcome of your success as a B
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two B marketing team.
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Now, this is what we need to start to do
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because it's on Lee.
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By truly aligning who we are as people into a
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team environment that we're able to turn ordinary teams that
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kind of plod along and are still in that pressure
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cooker and move them into extraordinary teams.
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This is what we have to dio.
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If we are truly going to start to create change
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as B two B marketers, your team is not doomed.
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I guarantee you that you are filled with amazingly innovative
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people. You just don't know how to recognize them and
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to bring forward their strength.
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But this is why you need to start to rethink
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the teams that you that you design and how you
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build them.
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It's not on Lee about roles.
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There's a big part about how people naturally show up
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in the world with their archetypes, and this is how
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you will pull yourself out of the pressure cooker of
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change. This is how you spark instant spontaneity with more
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ideas that are better ideas that are very creative.
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If you are interested in finding out what your archetype
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is or to understand more about your team, I'll point
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to it right here.
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You can go to this u R l If you're
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in the United States, it's carla johnson dot c o.
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There's no M.
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It's not a typo dot c o slash b two
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b ignite, and you can take the assessment for yourself.
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You can share it with your team.
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And if you dio, you know you can tweet it
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out and let everybody in the B two b ignite
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community know.
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We'd love to hear how it turns out for you.
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I'm Karla Johnson, and it's time to start changing how
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we look at the work that we dio as B
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two b marketers.