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Grace - Grace Amazing vs. Grace Impossible

This is a presentation to help one understand the difference between how the Christian Bible defines grace versus how the Book of Mormon defines grace.
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Do you know what true, biblical
saving
grace is?

[divine benefits of God that He bestows upon an individual with regards to salvation]
We need to
understand how members of the LDS church view Bible scriptures
Now let’s take
a look at how Mormons enter into their god’s grace.
Romans 6:23
the
free

gift
of God is 
eternal

life

in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Benefits of
Biblical Saving Grace
Salvation
Acts 15:11
Justification
Romans 3:24
Reconciliation

Romans 5:10
Holy Spirit
John 14:17
Eternal Life
Romans 6:23
Set Free from Sin
Romans 6:22

Grace Amazing vs. Grace Impossible
being
justified
freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus
Justified
Romans 3:24
the gift of justification, righteousness and justification of life
Romans 5:16-18
but the
free gift
  which came from many offenses resulted in
justification
. much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the
gift
of
righteousness
. Through one Man’s righteous act the
free gift
came to all men, resulting in
justification of life
.
[Quality
Justified
Righteous
Eternal Life
Through that justification and righteousness, we have eternal life
That Eternal Life,
imparted by the Spirit of God within us,
makes us Righteous and Justified
what are the benefits that we receive from saving grace?
For from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace.
-John 1:16

Peace with God
Romans 5:1
Eternal Comfort and Good Hope
2 Thessalonians 2:16
Edifying Gifts
Romans 12:6; 1 Peter 4:10
Strength
1 Peter 4:11
Contentment
2 Corinthians 12:9
That eternal life is speaking more towards a quality of life, not as much a quantity of life.

Quality
meaning that we are partakers
of his life which has his quality.
not
Quantity]
Do you know what true, biblical
abiding
grace is?

[divine benefits of God that He bestows upon us in the sanctification process]
John 15:4 - Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
Romans 6:19-22
present your members as slaves to righteousness, resulting in sanctification. But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life.
1 Corinthians 15:10
But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me.
Philippians 2:13
for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
Benefits of Biblical Abiding Grace
how do
we
enter into God’s grace?
Through faith in Jesus Christ and the
redemptive work on the cross.
-
Romans 3:21-26
Through faith in Jesus Christ and the
redemptive work on the cross.
-
Romans 3:21-26 summarized
Mormon grace
sounds very similar
to true, Biblical grace, partly because a lot of their supporting verses for saving grace are Biblical references
Mormon Saving Grace
Wherefore, my beloved brethren, reconcile yourselves to the will of God, and not to the will of the devil and the flesh; and remember, after ye are reconciled unto God, that it is only in and through the grace of God that ye are saved.
2 Nephi 10:24
2 Nephi 25:23
"For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved...
... after all we can do."
The most common response to this:
“That just means, after all we do it is only by grace that we are saved.”
"The phrase 'after all we can do' teaches that effort is required on our part to receive the fullness of the Lord’s grace and be made worthy to dwell with Him."
True to the Faith, A Gospel Reference

is a book printed by the LDS church for the LDS church and it states on page 77:
Mormon Bible Dictionary
Grace
The main idea of the word is divine means of help or strength, given through the bounteous mercy and love of Jesus Christ… It is truly the grace of Jesus Christ that makes salvation possible.
D&C 88:78
Teach ye diligently and my grace shall attend you, that you may be instructed more perfectly
Jacob 4:7
the Lord God showeth us our weakness that we may know that it is by his grace, that we have power to do these things.
Moroni 10:32
Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and
if
ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength,
then
is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God.
"conditional statement"
meaning there are "conditions"
it’s an
"if-then"
clause
Answer:
to get
their god’s grace:
Moroni 10:32
Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall
deny yourselves of all ungodliness
, and
love God with all your might, mind and strength
, then is his grace sufficient for you,
How does one do that?
LDS Elders usually reply,
"by repentance" referring
to Doctrine &
Covenants 58:43
D&C 58:43
By this ye may know if a man repenteth of his sins—behold, he will confess them and
forsake
them.
Moroni 10:32 =
deny
all ungodliness
D&C 58:43 = confess and
forsake
So now we are faced
with
denying
all
future
sins and
forsaking
all
former
sins.
And they will say,
THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!
BUT WAIT!
1 Nephi 3:7
And it came to pass that I, Nephi, said unto my father: I will go and do the things which the Lord hath commanded, for I know that the
Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them
.
Gospel Principles
, chapter 35,
titled Obedience, we are told that “by keeping
all the commandments of God, we prepare for eternal life
and exaltation.” It goes on to reference 1 Nephi 3:7 and follows with “No Commandment is Too Great or Too Small to Obey.”
12th President of the LDS Church, Spencer Kimball says the following in his book,
The Miracle of Forgiveness
, on page 209, “Perfection therefore is an achievable goal.”
usual response is,
“Well, all I can do is try my best.”
To that response, I refer back to Spencer Kimball’s book, to the chapter titled,
Abandonment of Sin
, where he says the following,
“The saving power does not extend to him who merely wants to change his life.” Pg 163
“Trying is not sufficient.” Pg 164
“To ‘try’ is weak. To ‘do the best I can’ is not strong. We must always do better than we can.” Pg 165
At this point, I usually get the response, "I repent daily,"
which I’m cool with,
but
in
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith
, Smith teaches that “Repentance is not a thing that can be trifled with every day. Daily transgression and daily repentance is not that which is pleasing in the sight of the Lord”
Pg 148
Side Note to Christians:
This is not a beat down. Love them. Reassure them.
If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
-
1 Corinthians 13:1
I let them know I am on board with them, but by their own doctrine, if they are repenting daily, then they never truly repented and forsaken their sin, and by Joseph Smith’s and Spencer Kimball’s standards they’re in sin.
Depending on their demeanor, I will either introduce them to the love and saving grace of the true God or I’ll continue to inform them of their doctrine.

Alma 11:37
- And I say unto you
again that
he cannot save them in their
sins
; for I cannot deny his word, and he hath
said that
no unclean thing can inherit the kingdom
of heaven
; therefore, how can ye be saved, except ye
inherit the kingdom of heaven?
Therefore, ye cannot be
saved in your sins
.
Alma 45:16
tells us, “The Lord cannot look
upon sin with the least degree of allowance.”
Let’s look at their idea of heaven like a 3-story house…
Some will respond that they can continue to progress in the afterlife, but here’s the issue with that folktale.
10th President Joseph Fielding Smith, 12th President Spencer W. Kimball, "Apostle" Bruce McConkie, "Fisrt Councilman" Milton R. Hunter, "Apostle" James Talmage and "Apostle" Orson F. Whitney, all deny and teach against this school of thought.
Alma 34:32-35
For behold,
this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God
; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors.
And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore, I beseech of you that ye
do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life
, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed.
Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this;
for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world.
For behold,
if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you, and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked
.
BTW: the “seal” mentioned in verse 35 is the same sealing that
unites
a married couple
for all eternity
.
Finally, let's take another look at their definition of grace that is listed in their "Bible" dictionary.
A word that
occurs frequently in
the New Testament, especially in the writings of Paul. The main idea of the word is divine means of help or strength, given through the bounteous mercy and love of Jesus Christ.
It is through the
grace of the Lord Jesus, made
possible by His atoning sacrifice, that mankind will be raised in immortality,
every person receiving his body from the grave in a condition of everlasting life. It is likewise through the grace of the Lord that individuals, through faith in the Atonement of Jesus Christ and repentance of their sins, receive strength and assistance to do good works that they otherwise would not be able to maintain if left to their own means. This grace is an enabling power that allows
men and women to lay hold on eternal
life and exaltation
after they have expended
their own best efforts.
Divine grace is
needed by every soul in consequence of the Fall of Adam and also because of man’s weaknesses and shortcomings.
So we can now see the difference of a Biblically
divine grace versus a self generated human effort.
By His grace,
we are
By His grace,
we receive
By His grace,
we receive
ETERNAL LIFE
Through the lens of the Book of Mormon
That's it. It's that simple.
Through faith in Jesus Christ and the
redemptive work on the cross.
Remember their definition of
grace
?
Well, let's look at the
complete
definition.
again, how do
we
enter into God’s grace?

by Sir Rodeheaver
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So either God is a liar or you are willingly not denying all ungodliness
However, grace cannot
suffice without total
effort on the part of the
recipient. Hence the
explanation, “It is by
grace that we are saved,
after all we can do”
(2 Ne. 25:23). It is truly the grace of Jesus Christ that makes salvation possible. This principle is
expressed in Jesus’ parable of
the vine and the branches
(John 15:1–11).
The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson,
p. 354 states “You must give your best”
The Fourth President of the Mormon Church, Wilford Woodruff, said . . .
“And
what is repentance?
The forsaking of sin. The man who repents, if he be a swearer, swears no more; or a thief, steal no more;
he turns away from all former sins and commits them no more.
It is not repentance to say, I repent today, and then steal tomorrow; that is the repentance of the world, which is displeasing in the sight of God,” How many times can someone quit smoking to truly quit smoking?
D&C 82:7
“If you commit any past sin again, the
former sins return
.”
“Therefore, in order to remain forgiven you must never commit the sin again,”
Mormon Missionary Discussion F, Uniform System for Teaching Families. 1981, p. 36
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