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Chapter 1
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Chapter 2
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Chapter 3
03:42
Chapter 4
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Chapter 5
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Chapter 6
05:02
Chapter 7
05:06
Chapter 8
05:11
Chapter 9
05:15
Chapter 10
06:42
Chapter 11
07:56
Chapter 12
08:55
Chapter 13
10:26
Chapter 14
10:38
Chapter 15
11:05
Chapter 16
11:08
Chapter 17
11:26
Chapter 18
11:30
Chapter 19
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Chapter 20
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Chapter 21
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Chapter 22
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Chapter 23
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Chapter 24
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Chapter 25
Audio Transcript
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Hey everyone. Welcome to just a notable one of my electric videos.
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Hopefully you're enjoying this.
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Whether you're watching this in the morning and the afternoon or in the evening.
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Um, today I'm gonna be talking over arguments and counter arguments.
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I'm gonna do a little bit of talk about outlining,
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Which of course is a tricky one.
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So this is based off of chapters 20 and 21 of the writers mindset.
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Um, one point of detail,
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So fun fact when I was going through and get ready to make this video,
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I realized I made a uh, to power points over the course of the term at some point I was,
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I made a power point and then I forgot it.
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So I made another one,
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this one and went ahead and was posted both of them for you to peruse.
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I thought that the other one that goes over
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the counter arguments maybe gives a little more detail.
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Maybe gives a bit more
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um,
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closest to that could be helpful to maybe look back on while this
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one maybe has that over our keep you too can be beneficial.
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So anyway, make sure you check those out there, both posted for you in the modules.
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So, um,
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the outlines are gonna be focusing on the big thing here
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simply as most of you know what an outline is.
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I don't know how much of you actually use an outline.
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So the benefit of an outline simply is to help with organization,
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You are writing a paper that's longer than you are used to.
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And so that means so like this is probably the longest paper you've written to date.
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And so I wanted to kind of push the value of having an outline.
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What it does is it helps you saves you time
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because it gives you attraction point where to work with.
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Now
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there is a million and one ways to write
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an outline and your book actually gives a really,
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I think helpful way to make an organization.
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What I will say is there's not really a
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certain method you have to utilize.
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I certainly just recommend that you do use 11 of my weaknesses as a
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writer is I tend to be known for having too long of sentences,
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too much worthiness and some ideas can be a little convoluted.
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That's kind of one of my weaknesses as a writer and I get told that time and time again
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and I learned that the reason why that was the
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problem is because I wouldn't make an outline to follow.
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Instead I would just vomit my ideas out and then go back and clean it up.
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And while it is a strategy and certainly it has been successful,
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it prevented me from making the best paper I could have made.
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So one strategy for you simply to think about what are you trying
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to accomplish and going through that and making sure you do that.
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So I am really pushing for you to have
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an outline. Now.
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The first step you need to have for your outline is simply to have a working
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thesis meaning you need to have three reasons
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and a counterclaim within your thesis statement,
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you already an argument paper that is going to be safe,
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substantial and fairly meaty.
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So you need to make sure that you understand your position on a topic
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why you believe it and how are you prepared to defend it?
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So, a sentence structure that works is as follows despite blank.
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That's your counter reasoning
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blank. That's the topic and the position because blank, that's your reason.
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Okay, so you're going to establish that what some people disagree with you
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but you've got your beliefs because of these reasons.
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Okay, we are pushing to move away from having three listed reasons.
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That is what's called a closed thesis statement that
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tends to not work for papers of this length.
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You're going to be doing what's called an open thesis status.
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That basically means you need to have a written a um
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your reason need to be established in a way that gives you
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flexibility of what you're gonna talk about versus listing what exactly
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you're going to be talking about in a closed thesis statement.
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You would tell me the three examples you're going to work through an open thesis,
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leaves it a bit a bit open.
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So
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you should not have your examples there.
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It is typically seen as weak writing or weaker writing. So here's an example.
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Do not do this. So this would be a bad example.
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Don't do this despite some people arguing that raise the
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minimum wage will lead to a better life doing so
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will ultimately hurt workers because it will raise inflation and
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the cost of jobs they were meant to help.
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So that gives two examples of what this it gets the job done but it is weak writing.
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So it's not gonna be as effective for as length
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of a paper as you're trying to navigate here.
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Instead do what I've written here despite its potential to bridge the wage gap,
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raise.
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The minimum wage ultimately fails in the real world because of
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the complex and often unforeseeable repercussions
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that such economic policy triggers.
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This gives you leverage to explore multiple topics.
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Again it's called an open thesis statement.
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So look at what I did and try to emulate that for your paper versus doing
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the other one which is maybe what you've been taught to lean upon and it's fine.
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Like that's a strategy that I teach my high school students.
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It's just that for a paper this link it's just not gonna work for you.
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So what follows are some other examples that are posted. I tried to be balanced.
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I try to approach it from a different ways some of these,
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I wrote some things I looked up.
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I try to really make sure you can hit different topics just
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to see what are some ways that you can write your papers.
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Okay so I'm gonna leave these here for you and
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you're welcome to check this out on your own time.
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Okay. But those are some examples of thesis statements
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and. Kay
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step two
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good evidence, a good argument paper will balance the evidence,
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striving to have multiple sources in a single paragraph.
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That's going to keep
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too often.
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I see on these papers where I get one source, one paragraph that's not going to cut,
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it's going to make two week of the paper is not going
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to show your ability to synthesize material and to make new ideas.
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Instead it tends to turn into students
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just regurgitating what they found the evidence.
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So weak writers rely too much on a single source or they fail to synthesize.
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I'm looking for a minimum of two sources per paragraph. That should be your goal.
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There sometimes spaces for three.
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There are occasionally faces for one but the average needs to be to
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be looking for an average of two
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and that doesn't mean you have to use,
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I'm sorry you can still use the strategy known for writing, body paragraphs.
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That's not a hard and fast rule.
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It is a great place to start if you're not
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sure what you're doing where you have a topic,
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sentence reason, commentary, commentary, sorry, topic sentence, evidence,
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commentary, commentary, evidence, commentary, commentary,
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conclusion statement.
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That's still fine to do. That's just not the only way to do it.
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But you'll notice that you should still should
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still have two examples in per paragraph.
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That needs to happen. So I need two sources for it.
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One strategy you'll see is as you're moving through the
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paper balancing also the types of evidence you have.
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So that could be choosing that authoritative expert driven source which is key.
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I do expect to see that and if I do
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not see that you probably will not be successful newspaper.
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What that means is you cannot rely on just journalists or newspapers.
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They're not the experts. They can help but they're not the top.
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You need to have the voice of someone who actually dedicate their lives to this work.
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So that would be the academics, the researchers, the professionals,
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the people who are doing this thing.
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You need to talk to them.
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You need to know they say this does mean that you have to use the B. C.
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Website to find this information.
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You're not going to be as successful by doing a basic google search.
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That is simply the way that it is.
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Now as I said before, you can have other kinds of sources right?
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It is helpful to use a source from the new york times.
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It is helpful to use a source of the atlantic. Those are fine.
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It's helpful to use a um uh interview that
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you heard from somebody or that a newspaper did.
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It's helpful to find a documentary on Youtube.
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Those are helpful but they're not going to be sufficient If that's all you have.
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Your paper will suffer on its ethos and that will lead to a failing grade.
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So as that's kind of what I said here right, having a good human face can help out.
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One of the best college papers I read
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was talking about legal immigration and the student.
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They were talking about all these hard data points about illegal immigration.
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And then at the end of each paragraph they would point us
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to a specific story of somebody who was impacted by these policies.
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And they used that to help build the pathos of a part of
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a paper in order to help make sure that it worked sufficiently.
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And it was a brilliant tactic and that was actually one of your students at B. C. H. S.
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Who did that. So definitely keep an eye out for that.
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Um, So all sources must be vetted for credibility.
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What that means is that if your sources are not
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credible then it will most likely hurt your grade.
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Sorry.
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It will most likely not only hurt your grade,
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but it will also lead to a ineffective paper.
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If it's so egregiously wrong, then it can lead to an automatic fail.
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What I basically mean by that.
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This is not a chance for you to look up conspiracy theories.
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I'm not interested in conspiracy theories.
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Not interested in fringe theories that's not beneficial.
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Those are simply not vetted.
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You need to have the information from a from a wide variety of sources,
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people who are reasonably talking about this space.
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So there are multiple voices you need to be looking for.
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Okay, and two reasons people have to be able to talk about it. So
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if one,
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basically what I'm saying here is if one person says it and 99 are going against it,
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I'm not interested in that one person's voice,
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most likely it's not as authoritative as you might think it is.
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Even if it confirms what you already believe about the subject,
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um, the next thing, the best reasons.
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So this goes back to something I said in a previous lecture,
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you can't rely on the first source you find.
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So, um, so that's number one, uh outside of that.
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You also need to think about the best reasons and what order you put them in,
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So you can't just lock them all together?
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Think about really think strategically what ideas and when
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do you let them know what's that gonna do?
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So start, first of the reason that will best appeal to your audience,
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whoever your audience is, that's going to shape it.
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If you are trying to talk to more general audience,
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you probably want pay those to be the first appeal to use.
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If you're trying to talk to more professionals,
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then maybe logos is more beneficial.
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Right? So think about those kind of things.
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Do you still have to establish your ethos that's gonna be done throughout the paper,
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but which one do you value? More
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logos or pathos? Which one you start with? That's going to depend on your audience.
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So that's one strategy of the book provides.
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Another strategy is simply to end with your strongest idea.
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You are a brilliant person, you have brilliant ideas, your strongest point,
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that should be your final main idea.
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Okay,
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now, um whenever it comes to evidence, I want your voice to be dominant.
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Okay,
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um your your voice is going to give a unique take to
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information and I will start and it will offer new information.
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Another way to think about this,
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two thirds of your paper needs to be your voice use toolbox 20.1 in
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chapter 20 for tips on how to use evidence and use the F A.
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Q at the end of chapter 20 for tips on outlining. So check those things out
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now on counter arguments, I'll be pretty brief.
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The biggest strategy simply is that you need to
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have a reason that somebody would disagree with you.
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This typically is your final point of your essay.
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There are other strategies you can play with,
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but most writers are going to probably use the final
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body paragraph as their way to incorporate that evidence.
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So, a strategy is simply a right. So I'm gonna actually skip that part.
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Um here you go.
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You have to know your audience,
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your audience will determine what kind of counter argument you need to use.
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Is it a balanced audience, a hostile audience or a sympathetic audience?
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Check the chart on page 455 for more details on what
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kind of strategy you should use based on your audience type.
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With that said,
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I am not interested in reading a paper of a sympathetic audience, basically.
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I don't want you writing an article paper to confirm people's own beliefs.
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I want you to try to shift the conversation, shift people's beliefs.
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So I'm looking for you to write to either a balanced or a hostile audience.
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If you're running to a sympathetic audience for one,
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the strategy is you don't need to counter argument and I'm
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letting you know now you have to have a counter argument.
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If you do not, it will be considered a failing essay. Just making that clear.
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So, um, typically the best strategy is the final paragraph.
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Some people if it's more hostile audience, they put it at the first paragraph.
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And other strategies.
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If you feel like there's multiple kind of arguments you want to address,
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that could be a for a balanced argument or for
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a hostel or balanced audience or a hostile audience.
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I often see the first half of paragraph B
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your claim the second half the the counterclaim.
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And I've seen that strategy work as well.
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Most of you, I'm I'm imagining will use the final paragraph as your counterclaim.
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I just need evidence that you do use a counterclaim and that you have inside.
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Now a reputation does not mean that you just say the other person is wrong.
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You have to instead use language to
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recognize you under understand their point and that
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you are going to logically prove why your position is still the dominant position.
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That doesn't mean that you say they're wrong. Maybe it is right. But
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um typically you want to look for grounds that you can kind of work through.
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So despite this good argument,
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maybe there's a part that they're overlooking or
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maybe you have evidence to refute their points.
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Okay.
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There's some strategies found on page 456 and 458
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that can help you out with that process.
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Um Like I said earlier or sorry,
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Well one thing I should say sometimes people are just wrong in your paper.
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That's probably not the case.
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Most of your choosing topics that should be available by multiple people.
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However, um seat ground and make an appeal. So that's gonna be your big thing. Okay.
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Um, so here's a counter argument example is a fictional example.
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I honestly just wanted to use it so you
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can see what a counter argument paragraphs looked like.
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But I honestly just made up the I made up the sources.
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I made up the um I made I made of everything.
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So, but at least you can see the concept of it. So. All right.
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Um, I believe that wraps us up. So
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that was a quick way of going through these things.
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You definitely need to be thinking about your paper topic now.
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I know it's not due for what seems like a long time. You need to start working on it now.
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Okay? Let me know what you're doing. Let me know and shoot me an email.
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What are you planning to write your paper on?
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I'll make sure I can respond to you so I can make a list and keep track of that.
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Thanks everyone. Have a good time by.
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