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OFE Series 2 Video Presentation
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Judy Skolnik Norman
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Updated Apr 18, 2021
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Chapter 1
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Chapter 2
02:59
Chapter 3
03:04
Chapter 4
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Chapter 5
03:08
Chapter 6
06:14
Chapter 7
06:19
Chapter 8
12:16
Chapter 9
12:24
Chapter 10
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Mhm. There's actually an activity that I do what I
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have done in the past with educators that might really
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be stuck in this.
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I just don't have time.
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And I call it my losing time activity.
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And it's a series of questions that I lead them
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through that helps them recognize how much time they're actually
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spending on dealing with the challenges already and how far
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is it getting them to where they want to be.
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And so it's more about reframing you're spending the time
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already and you're not getting results from it versus let's
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look at things that might work better than what you're
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working on now that might take about the same amount
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of time.
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So that's something that we can talk about in one
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of the classes surgery consultation if that's so interesting, anybody.
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Um The other piece I want to mention is our
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priorities. If after a conversation with an educator, what I
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recognize is that what they want was different than what
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I wanted.
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I have to shift, I have to shift my priorities.
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Let me give you an example of this.
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Um if there's an educator that needs support in one
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area because it feels important to them, but I wanted
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to go in and uh huh Okay, that might not
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feel very good and you might be thinking to yourself,
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but wait, I have a job to do too and
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I can't just let go of everything that I need
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to get done because of where they are and what
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feels important to them.
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And what I would ask you to think about is
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just like we're asking the educators to understand that they
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might have different goals and different roles in the moment,
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the same is true for us and it might be
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that I have some very clear goals and priorities in
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my mind For an educator or four classroom and in
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that moment I might have to let go of that,
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which doesn't mean I have to let go of it
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forever. I hopefully can come back around to it.
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But just like I'm asking them to do with the
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students. I have to be willing to consider my own
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priorities and shifting my goals in my rolls and the
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skills I'm using to be able to meet them where
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they are and to speak in their values and to
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support their priorities.
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Okay, let's look at the next challenge.
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I don't have enough support.
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What and this might be feeling like they don't have
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support from their own team members or other teachers or
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administrators or district, we don't know.
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Well what's the set up here?
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Uh overwhelmed.
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So if the setup is overwhelmed, this is an example
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of me having to let go of my goal in
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the moment because if I'm sitting with someone who is
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sharing their overwhelmed with me, that's where I need to
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start uh huh So let's go back to the developmental
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model. If they are sharing their overwhelmed with me, I'm
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going to start co regulating first off but I'm going
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to be using the kinds of clues that we learned
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about in the developmental model to determine where they are
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in the process and then I'm gonna know where to
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start with them.
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So for example if there's somebody who is in the
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whose past the wondering stage and is wanting to employment
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things but they don't know what questions to ask and
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they don't know what to do next as I'm co
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regulating with them, I am going to start to be
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explicit about that I'm going to start to talk about
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oh man that just feels like so much I can
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just feel my heart beating really fast as you're talking
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about that.
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Okay, how did you just notice that?
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I just noticed when I took a deep breath you
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did too.
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Now I'm not going to do that.
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If they're in the wondering stage, I'm not going to
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be as explicit about it because that's not where they
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are in the process.
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But with somebody that is I would start being explicit
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because I want the focus here to be on their
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regulation, and that's where I'm going to start.
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I'm going to start by supporting them in their regulations.
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Yeah, Yeah.
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And with it, with this educator, I would ask them,
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What kind of support do you want?
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What kind of support do you feel like you need?
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And again, whatever other questions I might ask, I'm going
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to then use that to create a backwards design plan
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for us to be able to get to where they
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say they want to be.
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And one of the things that we're going to go
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over in classes, just to all these different kinds of
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questions that we can pull from.
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Oh, okay.
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Next question for next, next challenge.
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I don't know how to do this.
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This might sound like I don't have the skills.
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This is too hard.
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I hope you guys can see this quote, I'm gonna.
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Mhm. Yeah.
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When things are shaky and nothing is working, we might
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realize that we are on the verge of something.
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Uh huh.
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What's this other peer?
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I don't have the skills.
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I'm incompetent.
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I can't do this.
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I'm not good enough.
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Think about this from developmental age, developmental task.
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Am I okay.
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That's going to impact where I start because I have
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to deal with that first.
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I have to deal with the dis regulation that's in
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front of me first.
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Again, just like the last challenge.
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I'm going to have to assess where they are in
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the process to know how do I start working with
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their dis regulations?
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And I'm also going to ask them, what would you
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like to try and I'm going to start supporting them
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in the area, but they're willing to step into it
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to try.
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So again, if we go back to what we learned
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from the developmental model, I might say, OK, pick one
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strategy from each of the categories and let's just focus
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on that and that's going to be what I'm modeling
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and I'm going to remind you of something that we
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talked about in our consultation groups that when I'm working
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with somebody that's earlier in the process, I am going
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to have to work very hard to not be the
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expert and that I was showing them because I think
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of this person in particular that's in the am I
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okay stage if I walk into a classroom to support
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them and I start modeling all the different strategies and
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they're focussed on one in each category and they're struggling
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with it.
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I just saved them.
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I've just shown them how great I am and you
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can't do it and they're already there.
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That's the last thing I want to do.
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My dogs barking.
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Uh huh.
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And I want to remind you about something we talked
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about in the console groups around developmental process.
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If this is an educator that's working on one strategy
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in each category, I want to make sure when I
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go into the classroom or when I'm working with them
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in any capacity, I'm only talking about modeling those strategies.
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This person in particular is already in the place of
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feeling incompetent if I start modeling all of the strategies
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and getting the students or other educators to regulate because
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of my ability to do all of these different things.
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I am just reinforcing their belief that they can't do
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it. And I'm allowing myself to be up here and
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them to be here, which is not what I want.
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I'm wanting to empower them and build their skills.
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So I'm only going to model and talk about the
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strategies they have said they want to work on, even
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though it's hard because so often, especially if we get
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to be in a classroom, we want to go in
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there and show them, look, look what's keep things can
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happen, look at what we can do because we want
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to go in and we want to show me look
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at the possibilities and I get that, I get that
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we want to do that.
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And yet we're doing it in a disempowering way, if
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we're The one doing it.
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So we want to support for them and doing it.
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Which can be hard.
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People think about where this might be coming from, their
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own fear, their own trauma, their lack of confidence.
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So that's what I want to be building.
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Okay, the other thing I want to be talking about
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is finding support.
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Where does support exist for this particular person, whether it's
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me or somebody else?
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So, we talked about this model being a teeming approach.
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So I'm going to start talking about teaming with this
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particular person where what I'm hearing is I don't have
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to do this.
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We're going to talk about ways to build support.
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All right.
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Mhm. And they do have an activity um again, that
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we can talk about in classes or concentrating that we
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talk about classes or consultation.
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Um That helps normalize this, that if I have a
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lot of educators that I feel like we're in the
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am I OK stage?
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Um I want to normalize it and try to build
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some some community around the fact that we're all feeling
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incompetent sometimes.
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So that's an activity that I can share with you
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as well.
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Okay. The final challenge.
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This won't work at my school.
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Uh huh.
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So in this case we might be dealing with school
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climate issue.
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We might be dealing with an educator that's feeling like
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it's just me and I'm an island in the school.
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How much can I really do on my own?
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And the other issue that might be there, which I've
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seen quite often is a lack of trust at the
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school. I don't want to put myself forward and do
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this because I'm gonna get knocked down.
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Other people aren't going to understand, I can't put myself
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out there because how is it going to come back
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at me?
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What's going to happen to me?
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Yeah. Try this.
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So sure we're going to be focused on finding support.
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We're gonna be talking about teaming and in the class
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where we talk specifically about teaming, we're gonna be working
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a lot on building into briefing strategies for teams because
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it takes time to build trust.
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Doing this work requires a lot of vulnerability.
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So we need to support people and moving through that.
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So we're going to spend time talking through how do
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I do that?
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How do I support people in learning how to breathe
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in these highly charged, highly intense situations that are occurring
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with students as we help them find support.
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We're going to do that in different ways.
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We're going to help them recognize clues of safety for
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themselves, in the classroom and in the school environment.
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The girl club.
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Yeah. Uh huh.
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First of all.
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