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everyone. We're gonna talk about Chapter two, and I labeled
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it messy politics because it's kind of what your author
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described Everything as when we look at the federal government,
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everything's pretty laid out pretty neatly.
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Um, it's very clear for the most part, you know,
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we have the Constitution.
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We know our rights.
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He has all these different things.
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They're labeled for us.
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But as we talk about, um, different issues, and especially
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when it comes to the criminal justice system and policies
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and procedures, Ah, lot of that actually comes down to
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your state, county and local city levels.
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And so it gets very confusing.
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There's not a standard unnecessarily for a lot of different
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things. There's maybe a general standard that the federal government
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puts out there, but then everybody could kind of pull
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it into their own thought process.
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So let's look briefly here at Chapter two.
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So let's see, What are the missions for the criminal
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justice system?
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Well, um, your author list for different reasons why we
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have the Colonel Justice system what it is that the
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community wants.
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Okay, Um right.
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We have the right to be happy.
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And we're right, um, to pursue American dreams, right?
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Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness without have another
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people, um, telling us No, we can't do that.
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And so you know, we have these different goals in
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the criminal justice system, but there's a catch to that.
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How we accomplish those goals is we have to actually
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use the community.
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And that's obviously what we're seeing.
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A major breakdown right now is there is no way
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the community wants anything to do with the criminal justice
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system. Um, we have a lot of people are saying,
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You know what?
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That's it.
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We're done.
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Let's get rid of the police, you know, abolish the
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police. Let's figure out a different way to start over.
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Um, and the community is trying to figure out how
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to form different groups to potentially add into or replace
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other parts of the criminal justice system.
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Yeah, but then we get into something that is more
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what we call private privatization.
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And in this instance, um, you know, Chapter one talked
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about mass incarceration, and this is a response to kind
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of just some of what your first author said, and
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they so we kind of look at something.
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Um in the sense of taking it out of the
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government's hands and putting it into private people and putting
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it into the communities hands.
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Well, that's the problem here is that we've taken corrections,
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uh, meaning jails and prisons on.
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We're putting this into the end of different companies and
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giving it over and making it private.
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Um, we're technically, it is the community that's running these
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things. And in doing these things, that is the problem.
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No. Are we selling people?
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Are we helping people?
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And in many cases, if you look at the video
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that I posted here, you're going to see that there's
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some major problems with how we try to deal with
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a couple different things in the kernel.
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Just system.
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People are complaining that we're paying too much money.
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Um, and the conditions are bad on.
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We're treating people inhumanely.
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And so how do we save money?
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Well, let's try doing a private government or privatized company
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to let them run the prison and hold people, and
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we can cut our costs because they don't have to
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hire um, a ZX trained many trained professionals.
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They don't have to hire people who are even qualified
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necessarily to normally work any facility.
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And so after you watch this video, it kind of
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gives you a better understanding of how this is actually
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more serious problem thing we realize.
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So what is their solution to some of this?
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Um, this man here, Dan, he works at the Department
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of Corrections.
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Um, in believe it's Minnesota, but he has a very
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interesting perspective on possible solutions for what we should be
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doing in the prisons.
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Um, since we're talking pretty much right now about mass
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incarceration, yes, the issues that he brings up in the
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ideas that he brings up that they have already implemented
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where he works is amazing.
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And it would be really great if we could start
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looking at instead of abolishing everything.
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Um, there's groups that every now they're called abolitionist, and
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that's their goal is to get rid of all prisons
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and to get rid of all law enforcement on dhe.
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They believe that there's a totally different aspect of how
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to control, uh, potential issues, right?
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Uh, in our society so everybody doesn't get along.
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And there's people who do have addiction issues, medical issues,
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mental health issues and, yes, the criminal system has been
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forced to deal with a lot of that.
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Which is why we have seen the results of a
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lot of what we got right now.
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Um, not not looking at some, obviously the bigger pictures
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of bias and racism and prejudice nous but just looking
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at the perspective of how to deal with crime.
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Uh, because if we got rid of or if we
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abolish some of these things, the idea is is there
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such a thing as crime now?
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So people would never be punished.
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So do you get to do what you want or
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are we looking at a way to reframe it?
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Reword it?
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Uh, it's an interesting thought process.
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Okay, so there's a lot of different people out there,
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and there's there's kind of a group right now that
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is literally working on, um, what they call being an
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abolitionist in getting rid of some of, um, er the
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parts of the common justice system that seemed to be
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where people suffer the most.
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Okay, but Dan solutions there, I think are amazing.
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So check that video out.
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And of course, you know, here's the problem, right?
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We're looking at being cost effective in this response.
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This author is saying, um, you know that the first
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author didn't take everything into consideration.
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Um, and the first author, Mr Burke.
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Oh, you know what?
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You know, we start, um, maybe reallocating the funding and
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doing it the right way.
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Um, it will help solve some of our problems, But
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you've already seen a video.
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You've already looked at the privatization of prisons and realize
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that just because it costs us doesn't mean it fix
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everything, so money doesn't fix everything.
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And that's kind of where we're at right now.
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Like people you know, the government and our politicians, they
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wanna argue just about money.
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They don't really argue about the conditions or being humane.
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They literally were just looking at a bottom dollar.
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I'm many of their campaigns, and many of their gonna
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tell you all I'm going to save us money because
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I'm gonna start a different program.
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Um, but they really don't They just kind of move
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money around, but they really don't fix any issues because
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they actually think money can fix it.
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And if we really look at some of the major
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issues that we have today in our system, money is
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definitely not the solution here.
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Now, with that in understanding that, you know, just because,
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um right, we move money around, you know?
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Well, it fix things.
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Well, I'm going to show you here something called Realignment.
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And in California, they came out with some different things.
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Like I said, we had local level politics here where
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you can look at what they called realignment and what
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they did.
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And this is kind of what is going on right
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now. And from my understanding on we're gonna get into
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this more, especially with some of our guest speakers that
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are gonna be on this semester.
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Um, looking at the differences between the abolitionists and the
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people that want to defund, Um, I have the defund
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the police because that seems to be the one area
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that everybody is kind of on right now.
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But I have a feeling that at some point it
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will be a little bit different.
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And, uh, you know, it's it's more about defunding this
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system, but not necessarily just defunding it, saving everybody tax
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dollars. It's about doing something similar to what California did
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not what?
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California hasn't really worked out very well for them.
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Um, and it was how they realigned where they gave
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the money back to the counties and told them to
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house prisoners, um, or do something differently with prisoners versus
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sending everybody the state prisons because they were so overcrowded,
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state was telling them, Look, you're gonna have to let
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10,000 prisoners out.
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And the concern was is that not?
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They didn't have 10,000 nonviolent prisoners, necessarily the let out.
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And so now we have to look at how is
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this gonna affect the communities in society?
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Are these people are gonna commit crimes again?
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You know, if they do, then everybody gets mad and
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it Zaveri difficulty line.
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Um, when it comes to law enforcement, it comes Thio
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criminal justice and, uh, corrections.
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Excuse me.
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There's a lot of difficult lines that, um, nothing's black
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and white.
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There's so much great area.
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There's so many different paths that people can take.
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And so, um, but if you really look at what
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we call de funding, this is kind of what the
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idea here is that we're talking about or, in other
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words, has been re allocating the funds.
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In other words, cut it from places like corrections and
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law enforcement and move it into actual resource is for
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the communities.
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So mental health addiction treatment in different issues like that.
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Because when you look at addiction treatment or mental health,
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there's very few places for people to go, especially in
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our state.
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So if we wanna look at our state Many years
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ago, when I was younger pride in junior high school,
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that's when all the state hospitals mental health hospital serving
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shut down.
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I'm not saying Let's build a bunch of hospitals to
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put people back in because basically, that was just jails
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for people with mental health.
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Um, but we need to look at actual treatments, proper
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medications. Um, you know, people that cannot live on their
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own. How do we set that up?
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There are group homes, but me being in the nonprofit
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world, I've worked with some people that have run different
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group homes, and it's actually very sad because the state
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will pay you, and that's all they care about.
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And that's the sad part.
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Is that a lot of these group homes, um, there's
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a lot of people good people out there and that
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there's a lot of people out there that are saying,
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Oh, you can have, you know, 15, 20 people in
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this house and make all this money off of them
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And then, you know, it's It's just all about getting
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the state aid to take care of somebody like that.
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And so it's a sad situation.
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There's a lot of different places it's still to this
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day need to be.
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You know, those are the kind of things.
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In a sense, it not necessarily defund those programs.
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But let's look at where the money goes, how it
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actually goes.
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Does it take care of the person?
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Is it just taking care of the caretaker?
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Is the person getting what they need?
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There's, um so there's a lot of different things like
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that. So when we talk about defunding, it's not necessarily
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because we want less taxes or less money going into
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the government.
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It's more about providing proper resource is for the community,
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which I think where we're at today and all the
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issues that we talked about today.
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Um, this is something that can actually potentially happen, and
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I think realignment is a good idea.
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We just gotta learn how to implement it properly And
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so, um, how much?
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You just kind of look at this, Get an idea
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of it.
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We could talk about it, Um, on Monday when we
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have class.
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Um, And so, obviously, um, here's a podcast.
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Kind of an idea of some issues and some things
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from the perspective of defunding the police.
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Um, And what's that like now in America?
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The podcast is also on your syllabus that I put
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in there for this week.
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So, um, just trying to provide an extra space for
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some links for you guys to, um, you know, be
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ableto listen to some of the extra things that I
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put in there.
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But, you know, if we were to abolish police and
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privatize it, would that help us?
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I mean, we looked at how privatizing prisons could go.
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Um, you know, how do you guys think privatizing police
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would potentially go, or should we defund?
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But then we have to look at how that looks.
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And do we realign the mission for what police are
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for? And then how do we build the actual resource
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is that we're looking at for, um, the reallocation of
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those funds.
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Another issue that we have is that the health insurance
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companies get involved in almost all of this is far
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as treatments and things go and most treatment centers, addiction
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centers, rehabs, those kind of things.
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Um, and any mental health facility there is they will
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not take a person unless they actually have to things
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and I'd and health insurance.
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And in most cases, those people do not have either
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one or they only have maybe an I D at
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best. And that, in turn, either keeps him from going
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in or if they do have health insurance.
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Most health insurance companies don't pay more than 90 days
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for rehabilitation, which is barely enough time for that person
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to even have the drugs or alcohol different things out
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of their system to, um, function.
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And then I say, drugs.
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It's not necessarily street drugs.
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It could be pharmaceuticals as well.
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