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TOPIC V, Module 4, Part 2
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in the last part, we were looking at restricted alienation.
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We said the restricted alien nations are
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those alienation that requires competent authority,
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certain authorities to be involved,
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usually giving their consent for the alienation to happen.
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We said that the competent authorities,
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we broke it up and we saw that for alienation
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done by restricted alienation done by the diocesan bishop.
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There were those four that were involved and then other juristic persons subject to
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the diocesan bishop and then other juristic
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persons not subject to the diocesan bishop.
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We said that that involves two types of things.
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Two types of general categories for restricted alienation.
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The first restricted alienation was with stable patrimony,
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and we had looked a little bit about what
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at what considered is considered or constitutes stable patrimony.
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We want to look now at the second aspect, which is, if you recall,
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it's those bona ecclesiastical those church goods, those goods that
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exceed
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a certain amount of of of monetary value, a certain dollar amount.
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So let's dive into that.
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The competent authority for determining this minimum
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and maximum amount is the Episcopal Conference.
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So in Canon 12 90 to 1, uh, and and and the rest of that Can we see this kind of laid out?
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The bishop
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needs to get the consent of the college, consult Ear's and Finance Council
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to alienate the goods of the diocese.
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But he needs to do so
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when it comes to this certain dollar amount.
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Who can set that dollar amount?
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That's the Episcopal Conference. So it's going to vary from country to country.
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We're going to look in the United States
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context to see how that's been determined here.
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The permission of the Holy See is also needed
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when it comes to the alienation of certain things,
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the goods whose value exceeds the maximum amount that set by law.
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So if there's the bishops conference is going to set a minimum and a maximum
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minimum amount kicks in the requirements to get these permissions,
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and then it goes up once it hits the maximum amount.
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If it goes beyond the maximum amount, the Holy See also has to get involved.
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That's what it means here.
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So the goods whose value exceeds the maximum amount set by law.
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If there is also goods
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that are given to the church by a valve,
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then the Holy See has to be involved to
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give its permission as well for alienation of those
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if there are goods precious for artistic or historical reasons.
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The Holy See also has to get involved in those situations. If it is involving relics.
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Sacred relics can in 11 90 says that the Holy See needs to get involved. Recall.
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However, Canon 11 11 90 section one forbids the selling of sacred relics.
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Alienation does not always mean selling.
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Alienation is just transfer of ownership.
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So you theoretically could have an alienation of property
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that's not contingent upon a sale at all,
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or it doesn't involve selling of the goods at all.
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Relics would be a prime example if a juristic person has a relic
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and it wants to transfer that ownership of that, that relic over to somebody else.
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Uh, there's no sale involved there. That can't be because it's forbidden to be sold.
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However, the Holy See has to get involved. When it comes to that
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must have permission the Holy See for alienation
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in any manner or permanent transfer of relics.
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If the ownership is being transferred, The Holy See wants to know
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Holy See is very serious about relics.
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If there's a permanent transfer of relics, uh, in in, uh, in in not just possession,
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but ownership.
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The Holy See needs to be involved.
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The same holds for images which are honoured in
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some church with great reverence by the people.
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So if we have something like a precious historical icon
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in there and we want to transfer ownership of that,
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then the Holy See needs to be involved as well.
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So the Holy See is very,
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very particular when it comes to sacred
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relics and these types of historical sacred images
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the sum defined by law. So let's look at this.
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So remember that the idea behind it is this and we're walking it step by step.
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There's alienation,
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which is the transfer of ownership
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under alienation. There are certain things that are considered restricted
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alienation,
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restricted alienation are those things that require
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competent authorities.
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These groups, to give their consent, give their permission there. Vicenza.
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In order for that alienation to be valid, of course,
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there's lucidity and those other elements that are there, but for validity,
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those things are required.
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There are two things that are two categories
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of things that fall under these restricted alienation.
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The first of which is the patrimony, the stable patrimony.
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If something is considered stable patrimony and we looked at the
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definition of that and and those things that fall under there,
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if it falls under stable patrimony,
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that kicks in the requirement of restricted alienation,
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and those entities have to be involved in giving their permission.
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The second category of things are those things that exceed
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the minimum amount set by the bishops conference.
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The bishops conference can set the minimum and maximum
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amount of those things that are now going to be
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restricted in their alienation that it kicks in the
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requirements of these consultations and permissions that are there.
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If something exceeds that amount,
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then the Holy See also has to give its consent
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as well as with some of these other situations.
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Let's look now as to how those sums work
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those amounts that are set by the Episcopal conferences that amount.
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When does it kick in?
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At least here in the United States,
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which is what we look at If you're operating in a different country,
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be sure to check your country's Episcopal Conference and
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they're complementary norms as to what those amounts are.
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We're looking here specifically at the U S uh, and and to see how that's been set.
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So in this country for the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops,
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there was a complimentary norm that was issued on December 1st 2011, 2011.
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Now note that this chart this amount were also used for
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a previous canon that we looked at 10 and 12 77.
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Those things that are considered acts of greater administration.
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Uh, those are not necessarily alienation, but those same amounts are being used.
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However, now we're looking specifically at those acts of restricted alienation.
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What did the usccb do?
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The Usccb complementary norms decided to say, Okay,
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we're going to set these amounts.
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But realising that diocese is very quite a bit,
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we're going to set it according to the population, the Catholic population
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in these dioceses. So we're going to divide out into two categories
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dioceses that that involved this type of population and less,
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and those who involve this type of Catholic population and more,
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and we're going to set the dollar amounts from there
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from there. We then now have three divisions of the dollar amount. Each division
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is going to kick in a certain number of requirements that have to be there.
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These factors determine what permissions,
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what consents need are needed and who the
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authorities are to give these permissions and consent.
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This is something that has vexed canon law students
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and Ecclesia administrators for a while because it's technical.
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So the best thing to do is to make a chart out of it. And that's exactly what I've done.
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And I've posted that chart also to the class site
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so that you have I made that available to you.
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But let's have a look at that chart right now to see how the Usccb has divided it.
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So here we have the chart of how that works
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Canon 12 92 and we already saw that can,
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in 12 77 issues those acts of greater
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administration and those acts of extraordinary administration.
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They use the same chart for that one, but for right now, for restricted alienation.
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This is the chart. These are the amounts.
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So this is how the usccb has has has gone about it. Notice that there are two
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columns. The right hand column
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are for dioceses with Catholic population of less than $500,000.
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I'm sorry, 500,000 people, 500,000 Catholics.
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That then uses those amounts
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for a Catholic dioceses with Catholic population of half a million or more.
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We then use the left hand column.
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Now let's go all the way to the bottom.
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If you are in a diocese, that is, let's say, less than 500,000.
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So up to 499,000 Catholics,
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then can you alienate is something considered alienation,
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restricted alienation?
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If it falls under a quarter million and the answer is no.
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If you say if the diocese has, for example,
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a plot of land that's only worth $100,000 is that a restricted alienation?
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In other words,
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does that kick in the requirement for the bishop to
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get all the the the permissions and all of the
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all of the, uh, the permissions and the consent of the entities? And the answer is no.
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If it's only $100,000 then he doesn't have anything to worry about.
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He can go ahead and proceed now it may fall
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under acts of greater administration and things like that,
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so he should consult and talk to those entities, but for validity, he doesn't.
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This is not restricted alienation.
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If, however, that plot of land has a value of a quarter million or above
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either between a quarter million and 3.5 million,
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then notice he needs the consent
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of the competent authority according to law.
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He needs the consent of the Finance Council.
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He needs the consent of the College of consult lawyers and those who are concerned.
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He has to be able to show
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that not only has he presented all the information, the necessary information
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and that they now give their consent,
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not just that he's consulting them.
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They actually have to take a vote and as a body
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gives the bishop the okay to alienate that piece of property.
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If all four of those mentioned there do not give their consent,
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then it is an invalid alienation.
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He can't go forward with it, and if he does, it's invalid
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economically.
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The same holds then for dioceses with a population of half a million or more,
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those dollar amounts 750,000
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up to 7.5 million.
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That's the range by which he has to get those consent of the four
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now.
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Yes,
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it goes above that.
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If, for example,
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in a Catholic population of 500,000 or less so in the right hand column there,
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if it goes above $3.5 million
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he also has to get the consent the permission
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of the Holy See and more specifically, is the Congregation for Clergy.
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I guess now it's called the Ficus Tree. Uh is has to be engaged.
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Has to give its permission for that.
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Okay, so that's how this works here.
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It's divided into these three types of categories,
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and these three types of categories then,
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are divided by population and dollar amount as
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to who and what permissions have to be given
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alienation by religious institutes. Then, uh, they're bound by canon law.
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They're bound by Book five,
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unless there's other provisions in their constitutional statutes,
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which cannot contradict canon law, the authority competent for alienation.
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For Canon 12 95 matrimonial alienation, you have to get the written
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permission of the competent superior.
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There also has to be the consent of the council
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and also the consent of the Holy See if the amount or the nature warrants it.
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So if it's stable patrimony of some sort,
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that historic one stuff that we're talking about.
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And then also, if the dollar amount
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institutes of diocesan,
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right and autonomous monasteries also need the written consent
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of the bishop that comes from Canon 6 38.
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Section four
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Institutes are also bound by the various requirements of other places in the code.
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So if you're dealing with it for religious institute,
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be sure to consult those cannons as well.
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What about secular institutes and societies of apostolic life?
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They are bound by book five under 10 and 7 18.
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So if you're dealing with a secular institute,
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be sure to consult 7 18 and also adopts a
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lot of these other ones that we're talking about.
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Same way with societies of apostolic life.
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They, too,
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are bound by Book five unless their constitutions make other provisions.
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But once again,
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those provisions cannot contradict Book five of the Code of Canon law,
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but also can in 6 36 and 6 38 to 6 39 should also be consulted.
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But the takeaway for these religious institutes or
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secular institutes or societies of apostolic life is that
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you always want to go to not only
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the code not only the Chronicle universal requirements,
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but they're also bound by their particular law or their
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proper law is the is the term for it.
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Look in their constitutions.
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Look in their statutes because those need to
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define more clearly what those steps are.
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Those steps cannot contradict Book five of the code. They should work in tandem.
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It's always by the proper law as well. So without going more deeply into it.
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If you're dealing with religious institutes, society of apostolic life,
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secular institutes,
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be sure to consult not only the code and these principles we're talking about,
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but also their proper law, their constitutions and their statutes.
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