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Welcome to 2024
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Kani
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Wealth Money Talks. I'm your host, Claudio
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Cazzani
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on behalf of our company, bringing you the latest update of uh markets,
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economies and everything else around the world.
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Um Now we have uh about 35 minutes of discussions
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and a couple of graphs that hopefully find of interest.
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But for our type,
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a personality clients who would like to receive the executive summary,
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we expect a very interesting 2024.
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Uh It is certainly in elections here in the United States
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and that would uh most likely be supportive of the market short term.
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However,
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the overall uh parameters that have uh given us a
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little bit of concern in 2023 and moving forward in 2024
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are abundant. So we vote for the deal. Let's uh take you to the summary
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and uh offer you a bit of a of an economic update
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in terms of the FED FED has been driving the markets for
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the last couple of years and I think 2023 is no different.
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We've heard lots about rate talks.
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Let's see what the fed is up these days.
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And uh as you can see the uh money printing exercise continues,
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it uh takes different forms.
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Uh It is most likely in the form of government deficits. Uh We do have to
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uh find a way to cope with those deficits. Therefore,
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money will continue to be printed for many years to come
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and to substantiate the effect of that money printing.
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I'm gonna offer you a bit of a graph here which shows
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you that continuing of the current uh multi trillion dollar annual deficit
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uh in the United States,
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we would reach in 2032 a level of quantitative easing
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uh that would replicate the COVID 2020 year.
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And that is quite concerning, it's concerning for the US bonds,
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it's concerning for the US currency
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uh and, and everything else. Um And this is another graph to support
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uh what uh the long term effects of the US deficit would be.
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You could see uh with the uh dotted red line
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that at some point in the future, you will have the interest on the US debt,
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exceeding Medicare, exceeding uh defense
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uh and exceeding Social Security as well.
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So certainly, if we are to invest today with the have the future,
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we have to keep at the back of our mind that the US
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uh it will be traversing some challenging times
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trying to balance their uh their budgets.
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Now.
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Certainly uh a lot of the uh business cycle pundits have been saying that
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the business cycle is a myth and since the FED has been printing money,
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uh business cycles do not exist anymore.
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Uh We are not in that camp. We think that throughout history,
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uh history tends to repeat itself in different forms.
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We're looking back at the year 2000 or looking back at uh 2009 and current times,
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we have the
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same reasons for concern and what those would be.
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Well, we have an inverted eel curve,
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meaning that short term rates are higher than long term rates.
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We have a couple of stocks driving the rally in the market
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and I'm going to touch a little bit more about the magnificent seven.
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And then certainly you have uh if you have the interest rate cycle.
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So we're thinking we're gonna be somewhere right now in the orange and red area
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where recession is not quite there in the United States,
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but certainly uh growth. Uh it's challenged and inflation,
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although inflation seems to be rece uh receding right now.
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It's still not at the numbers that uh we would like to see.
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So
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what does that mean in terms of uh equity markets and investors like yourselves?
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Well, certainly
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we have seen certain uh periods of time where the markets have misbehaved.
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They have recorded significant downturns followed by a couple
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of decades of uh exponential growth if you will.
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So on this graph, you could very easily see that long term markets are going up.
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So there is a 75% probability that if you stay invested, you're gonna be just fine.
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However, if you are a retirement client
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and
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uh you have to at some point draw cash flow from your portfolio
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and your portfolio is down
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56%. Hypothetically assuming that you're 100% invested in equities,
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that is a serious uh cause of concern.
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So we have to have a balanced view of where the world is going.
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Uh for
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Kani
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Wealth. We haven't been 100% cash and we haven't been 100% equity.
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So we've always been somewhere balanced in the middle.
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Now,
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the
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interesting part uh about today's economy, it's that it, it,
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it's certainly it's not
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all rosy and it's not all gloom and doom.
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So let's just talk about housing because real estate
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has been a propeller uh for the economy.
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Uh specifically in North America,
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we've all seen the prices going up in Vancouver in
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the last four or five years and pretty much last decade
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as well as the rest of the world.
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And now it appears that um significant number of
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downturns are happening in Europe as well as Asia,
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uh predominantly Hong Kong and China.
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And that is the result of the amount
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of debt and variable rate mortgages that we're carrying
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so far. Canada has been able to break even. So uh in terms of the Canadian real estate.
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I don't have to tell you that we're in a bit of a balance point where we're dealing
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with supply and demand and higher interest rates that
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have to tell the story for years to come.
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But what's concerning here around the world
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is that we're seeing more and more business insolvencies.
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So to the right here on the graph, you see how in between France, Germany, UK and us,
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uh insolvencies are starting to creep up and uh
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the health of the business sector
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and the health of the employment sector will always affect the markets.
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Now,
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it's interesting because if you are to Google right now,
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what the investment investor sentiment would be in the market
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will uh will have a lot more discussions about soft landing.
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People are accustomed to the idea that soft landing it's inevitable.
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And you know, we
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found a way to um defeat inflation or at least
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reduce inflation and growth might potentially return.
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However, what happens when exuberance uh populates the market?
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That's the point where we have to be most cautious
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when we are most concerned.
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You certainly have markets rallying.
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And uh we've seen that happening in October of 2023.
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A lot of the return of that uh 2023 has been the rally that was driven in October
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and that was pretty much initiated by the Fed.
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Uh highlighting that they will be decreasing rates may as much as six times in 2024.
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And uh you know, if, if, if you look at all of that hasn't materialized yet.
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So something to be cautious about.
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Now,
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one thing that will always give you an idea of where the world economies me would be
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is what's happening on the supply side or the
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inventory side with precious metals and industrial metals,
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um, as well as other commodities in terms of copper, nickel, aluminum, corn,
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everything in that range.
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What you see here is that our inventories are at historical lows
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now that gives us an opportunity to be bullish down the road
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and we're certainly in that camp however short term, it,
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it is a clear indication the world economies are
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um challenged right now and I think we'll have to
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traverse a period of time of uh slow economic growth.
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Now, going back to um what drove this rally, I alluded a couple of minutes ago.
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Uh that market rallies have been quite sustained uh last year starting in October.
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October saved the day for the S and P 500
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which uh dominated the return.
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It also dominated the world economies.
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Us economy has proven to be one of the strongest.
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Now,
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we know the Americans can take 30 year mortgages and uh
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lock them in as they did actually about uh in 2020
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at uh 1.5 and 2%. Um That's the type of mortgage is not available in Canada
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or other parts of the world.
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Um But I think it's the reason why the American consumer has
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been a little bit more sheltered than other North American counterparts.
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So the S and P 500 has uh given since October a sustained rally
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and that rally has been driven by the
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what do you call? Magnificent seven.
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Now, the Magnificent seven are the top technology stocks
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and include the Apple, the Microsoft, the Google,
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the Tesla video and so on and so forth.
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Those talks have been uh at the forefront of the rally
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and they piggybacked on the uh hope that artificial intelligence
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would give us the next level of productivity.
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However,
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the significant uh rally of the magnificent seven,
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if we look at what happened in 2024
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the magnificent seven have become the magnificent three
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and all of a sudden, we just have Amazon
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uh and we have NVIDIA
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and uh and certainly, you know, the a couple of other names that
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are still in positive numbers,
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but the likes of Tesla, the likes of Microsoft and so on and so forth
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uh have gone down,
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I think metas uh one of the significant three that's still there holding tight.
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Now,
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that shift will have a profound implication on
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where the markets are going in the future.
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So I know if you look at our investment portfolios,
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we like technology, we always did.
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However, right now,
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our portfolios have been curated since the beginning
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of the year not to include those names.
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We think there's too much risk.
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Uh We think there's too much concentration in that uh in that area.
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But one thing for sure,
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the US market has been much stronger than the
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rest of the world and led this uh this rally
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and we talked about interest rates.
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The promise of interest rates going down
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in 2024 has not
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uh materialized yet.
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There is an 85 to 90% probability rates will not be cut by the US. In March.
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There's a 75% probability that rates will not be cut by the US by the fed
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in May.
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And uh we have to go all the way further to June
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where we think the first rate cut would appear.
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So this is telling us that in what made the markets rally,
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it's not the anticipation that rates will go down.
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But the fed made it very clear that rates are not gonna go higher.
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Now, of course, they don't have a crystal ball,
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but they're highlighting to the market
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that
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we are done with high interest rates at least for now.
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And the markets including the tech market including crypto.
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They uh took that as a very favorable sign
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and they rallied and some of those markets rallied a pretty significant pace.
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And everybody say, well, what,
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what if rates go down when rates go down is gonna get even better, right?
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Obviously, um it's a good assumption
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on paper.
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However,
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if we go back all the way to 1980 late seventies from the Volcker rate cut cycle,
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if we go to the 2000 tech bust, if we go to the housing crisis
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of 2008, 2009,
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you see that by the time rates are cut at significant pace,
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it coincides with the US uh and international economy slowing down
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which translates into much lower markets.
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Uh I don't have to remind you that the markets of the eighties, the 4009,
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some of them have corrected as much as 50%.
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So we're not hanging our hat on the fact that rates are gonna go down.
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We are monitoring the unemployment numbers as well
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as the pace of the economy with much more
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interest that where the rates are going as long
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as rates are not surprising on the upside.
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Um I think the uh equity market has given indications that wants to
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uh stay flat or rally into the end of the year.
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So that's uh that's the interesting part and I suspect the positive that
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we can foresee for the market for the next 6 to 12 months.
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However, there are many um loan maturities in the high yield market,
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high yield market would be small size companies that are burdened by debt
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that have to refinance their debt at current rates.
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And rates do not go down that
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uh easily,
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at least for the next 6 to 8 to perhaps even nine months.
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What will happen when these companies have to refinance their debt,
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some of them would uh go out of business, some of them would have to consolidate.
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And um I think that will have a dramatic impact on the uh on the high yield on the
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what, what do you call the uh junk bond market?
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Very interesting to see and uh and those, those factors may not play in immediately.
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But I think long term,
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the easy money is not available to such companies and therefore
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uh there will be some consequences in uh in that area.
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I'm gonna move now to the story of China. China has been the driver
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of a significant growth cycle in 2010
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all the way to current days and, and at some point,
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they ran into trouble with uh real estate
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as well as uh exports
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and we see their activity cooling off
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the, the way we judge China based on their exports and their internal activity.
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It's gonna give us a bit of a, a
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window into what's happening in the world,
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just like the commodities uh inventories did.
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And you can see right now
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in this, the chart is put here in front of you
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in terms of things that are up in China, the traffic and the international flights,
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but
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in terms of their discretionary spending
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in terms of, of their um uh frequency economic activity index,
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they are not doing great.
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So the engine that China brought to the world in 2010 is stalling right now at best.
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Now, there could be an opportunity at some point with the uh Chinese stocks,
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but we're not in that camp yet if we take one or two for a quick trade.
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Um
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It's, it's certainly on our radar screen.
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Uh but we don't necessarily think that it's the safest way to deploy
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um our capital
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and some good news in other areas.
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For instance, in India,
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India has been a benefactor here with uh refining oil from Europe.
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Um a lot of the Russian oil for that matter
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and uh and as well as their overall population and activity,
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India has had a 7.5% GDP growth.
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So that's positive. Uh We can look at India to replace China
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for helping the global growth.
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Um We'll see how that story will unfold, but uh that's certainly promising.
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And although we have not declared a victory on inflation,
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take a look at the chart here on the right hand side, at
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least the inflation numbers for now are lower.
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I'm not gonna get into the, the uh debate of how
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and why rates are of inflation are lower and how we truly, really measure inflation.
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I think most of us know
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that since 2020 life is 20% more expensive
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however, a deceleration of inflation
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has been taken as a positive by the markets and it is a reason why
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uh the markets are rallied.
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But what if,
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what if the story of inflation has not
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been told and inflation would eventually return?
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It happens in the seventies, it did happen in the seventies.
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And I think at this moment in time,
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uh it's a possibility of especially for the emerging economies
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and some countries that have been always plagued by inflation.
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For instance, look at Turkey right now,
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if you look at all of the inflation numbers from food, health, household equipment,
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housing education, restaurants and so on and so forth
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in 2023 all the way to mid 2023 they're looking really good
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and right now they're going back in the red.
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So inflation resurged in Turkey in a significant way,
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affecting their currency, affecting their debt and so on and so forth.
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So is this the uh canary in the, in the coal mine? Uh or is this
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um something that the US and Canada, North America can avoid?
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We don't know 100% but we certainly have to be careful in that area
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and coming back to the global growth.
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Uh I just want to show everybody that although the US
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economy has been the best of all on a global scale,
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uh The rates of growth are quite anemic
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and at some point,
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the story of inflation could very easily become a story of deflation.
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We're not in that camp just yet.
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Uh But we think that that's a distinct possibility for years to come.
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Uh specifically,
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if we have an extraordinary event in the credit market or the real estate market,
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something that would shock the system.
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Uh the world GDP across decades here as you can see and forecast it for the future.
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Uh It's, it's looking more and more anemic
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now.
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Um
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The next thing here,
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um we're gonna go back to the financial
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markets because that's of acute interest to us.
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We are money managers, we are financial planners.
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Uh We operate very much as a family office,
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having day to day discussions with our clients
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about their family, their succession,
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um their, their savings and and so on and so forth and we'll continue that.
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Uh It is our goal that all of our clients have an investment plan,
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a financial plan and a risk management succession plan.
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So that's, that's on the agenda for us,
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but we did do have to focus uh mostly on your portfolios right now.
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Uh And I'm,
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I'm gonna give you a little bit of a since the beginning of the year summary,
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see what has been running and what has not gone as well for 2024.
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No surprise that the uh magnific magnificent seven
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that remained the magnificent three still had a strong
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start to the year and the NASDAQ is up 6.6%
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and that has a direct implication on the S and P 500
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which is also concentrating in technology for a pretty good degree.
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Um, and they're both close to 7% up.
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And you could say, wow, that's fantastic.
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I mean, why don't we have a lot of money in the US? Stocks?
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Well, diversified portfolio can't do that. It's too much of a gamble.
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But we are acknowledging that the US market is generally a better performer.
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However, there's more volatility there.
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Now, in contrast, if you look at Hansen,
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if you look at the international
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in forest markets,
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they're down 3%.
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And you've seen the intervention of China
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by uh allowing more liquidity just to rescue
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their stock market, which was sliding 10 to 12 to 15%
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at the beginning of the year.
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We've settled along for our clients that we're not gonna
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go into long bonds until we know for a fact
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that
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the opportunity for long bonds is there.
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And here's the case in point here. If you look at the ishares uh TLT
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in the US or XL B,
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which is your long term bond gauge.
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Those areas have done minus two and minus 3%.
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So everything that you see red here has underperformed,
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everything that you see in uh in yellow green has been a performer.
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So definitely long bonds have not been the answer and we've been buying our clients
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uh uh short bonds and G I CS and try to squeeze the best possible rates
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on short income
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um keeping them away from volatility on that front.
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Now, we're a little bit more happy about preferred shares.
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We're adding preferred shares to our portfolios. That's gonna be a
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significant change or in the,
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in the middle of uh of re tweaking the allocation for most clients portfolios.
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Uh and what it matters. I mean, I if clients have only RSP assets,
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uh you don't want to put tax
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advantageous investments in R SPS or RS.
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So we'll, we'll make sure that we place those preferred shares
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um in the right accounts
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now,
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going back to commodities uh in between uh the
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um oil prices that have gone up in value.
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You can see for the first time, the opposite, uh natural gas has gone down 23%.
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That is a significant drop
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and uranium after having a spectacular 2023 is pulling back as well
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and there will be no discussion in finance without mentioning
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crypto crypto has had a stellar end of the year.
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Um I always regard crypto as
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three X
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NASDAQ. Basically, the NASDAQ is running.
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I find that Crypto Germany is correlated
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but much higher.
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So when you see NASDAQ going up 10% you're gonna see crypto going up 30%.
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Um It'll be interesting to see at some point
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in the crypto market can uh can exist by itself with its own fluctuation
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independent of the tech market.
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But as of now, for crypto investors at uh 60% return
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year to date.
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Uh And uh Ethereum and 57 in crypto,
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it's uh
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it's looking quite uh quite uh uh quite good. So
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that's the summary of um
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uh the major indices here.
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Now, let's go at the uh fixed income performance.
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Uh We talked about the long and the short bonds
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and you can see how the bond sector
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as reflected by, by the chart here has had a rally since October,
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but it's pulling back a little bit
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at the beginning of the year.
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And why do you think that is,
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that is because interest rates are not going down as fast?
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So we are in the camp of hurry up and wait.
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Let's see if the long bond market would eventually go on up to adjust to the short term
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bonds or if there's gonna be more volatility based
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on what the fed and the Bank of Canada does
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and the Bank of Canada has been staying put.
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So there's no desire to decrease rates in Canada as well. Um For, for the time being
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in terms of um assets that are less conventional,
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but they have their role in investment portfolios.
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And
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you know,
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there's a certain demographic that believes very much in coin and Ethereum.
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Um
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The uh cryptocurrencies,
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I can tell you that
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from our perspective, you cannot add Bitcoin as a, as a valid asset class.
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It is an investment vehicle. It's available
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at some point if we talk to our clients and they wish to have it in their portfolio.
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So we can facilitate that.
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However, I cannot call it a go uh an
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ASA class.
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But
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if you look at Bitcoin and Ethereum,
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they have made tremendous stride.
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Uh they are called by many liquid Gold. Um So they, there's a, there's a way to
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think of them as being hedge assets,
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they had tremendous gain. However, the volatility persists
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and everything gold, as much as we like gold at any point in inflationary times,
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it is a bet against the US economy in a sense.
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So when I see the US economy sputter and after gold and gold stocks, correct,
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it will become of a very um interest uh and of high interest to us
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and you're gonna see more gold stocks in the investment portfolio.
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However, for now,
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we think most of the action is still in the conventional market
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and there will be no discussion about
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currencies and uh asset classes without bringing in
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the Canadian dollar, the Canadian dollar. If you look at it and between 7080 cents,
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it is what they call range bound.
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What we like about the Canadian dollar
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is that
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reasonably stable?
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What we don't like about a Canadian dollar
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is that when you have significant volatility around the world,
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you are going to see the American dollar
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make significant gain against the Canadian dollar.
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So if you see a uh an extraordinary event, a credit event, uh housing event,
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a geopolitical of significance,
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you will at some point
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uh
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understand that the Canadian dollar would go down against the US dollar
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and our
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US and international investments will appreciate by
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the virtue of the Canadian dollar depreciating.
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So,
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you know, if you think what, what, what can protect me if things go really,
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really wrong around the world,
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the only thing that's gonna rally as a first step would be the American dollar.
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I don't think gold or any other assets would give you that shelter.
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But I do think the US dollar would be the first
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thing to give you a very nice hedge in this area.
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And um
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we do have in our portfolios for some of our clients, alternative investments.
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Now, not all portfolios have the room for alternative investments.
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Uh but the ones that do
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our area of focus here has been private real estate
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and
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it's not just any real estate.
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It is rental real estate as we see through Centurion apartment re uh it
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has been tremendous in performance.
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It is self storage facilities uh by avenue living
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within the trends of
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individuals having to rent their homes, instead of owning them
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individuals, having to own smaller places and
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relying on self storage facilities to
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be able to store most of their valuables. Um
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II I think that will continue
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and therefore when we talk alternative investments.
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We're not talking hedge funds, we're not talking long short market funds.
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We haven't had any luck with those.
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And I'm, I philosophically, we don't, we don't believe in them,
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but we do think that rental real estate and self storage are gonna be strong.
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Uh And I'll give you a little bit of a, of, of a,
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of a diversification against the conventional markets.
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So some of you already have Centurion and Avenue living
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in your portfolios and uh those have done really well.
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Plus they pay around 6 7% in annual yield.
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So
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that's the uh area that uh we explored.
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First, we went big picture, we discussed the world
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and now let's look at what the Kani
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wealth has been up to.
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We take our investment
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allocation for each client
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and uh decide how much will go in Canada, how much will allocate to the US?
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How much will go international?
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Will you have fixed income? Will we have alternatives?
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That has always been the case
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if you look at our performance of our Canadian strategy,
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which is made of approximately 30 stocks against the TSX
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since 2000 since our move to blue short tracking the numbers.
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Well, we are at the segment in blue,
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we have had an average annual rate of return of 15% 15.3 for that matter
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against the TSX at 10.8.
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So at strategy level, we outperformed in Canada by quite a margin
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and uh
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you can see some years are uh are significantly higher performances.
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Other years are just slightly shy of the index, but on an aggregate,
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we're out performing.
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And I think that's important
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uh to our clients
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in the US because we have not participated in the tech rally in the same way.
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We are believing a lot more in diversification.
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We have underperformed slightly.
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So the average of of the SNP has been 20% for the same period of time
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and we have been at 17. So over there, there's a 3% differential every year.
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Am I upset about that? Not at all.
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I think our time will come when our clients are gonna be very grateful about the
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uh shelter that we offer them when markets become turbulent.
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And I don't think it's a matter of if it's a matter of when
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certainly we don't have the not Notre dame
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ability to
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tell you that it's gonna happen in the next three or six months.
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Uh But I do think that we are long in the tooth here
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in a bull market cycle and volatility is around the corner
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and uh last but not least our international portfolio as we stack it against Europe,
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Australia and Far East.
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Um
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We have been able here to uh outperform in a significant way.
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Our average return in the international markets has been 15.78% per annum
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uh versus the index that has been quite anemic at 4.89%.
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So, um
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I think this one is pretty straightforward and self explanatory.
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Uh We have been, we've had the fortune of buying individual international stocks
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trading on American exchanges in American dollars.
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And we found the progress here being much better than relying on mutual funds
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or ETF S or other package products to give exposure to the international markets.
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So we're quite uh quite proud of that initiative that started about two years ago.
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Now, in 2024 there's many areas of focus. Uh we just started with um
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adding funds to your tax free savings accounts and doing a
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lot of in house work preparing you for the tax season.
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By the way, March 15th would be where our tax packages will be produced by
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um our dealer and uh Serena and the administrative team will be in touch
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with you or be able to forward the information to your tax professionals.
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Uh Just stay tuned for that.
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I know we have our uh type a personality clients who would like to have
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the tax is a little bit earlier
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and we just keep uh mentioning that if we produce a package that's incomplete,
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it may trigger refiling fees.
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So uh just asking you kindly to be uh patient
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with us until those uh packages are available in full.
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So
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let's look at the area as a focus here. Uh Short term to medium.
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We continue to be in the short uh range uh markets for fixed income.
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The um high interest savings accounts have been great uh T bills as well.
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We found some G I CS offered by National Bank and TD that
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posting great yield
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and we secured those uh last year, we can't find those rates anymore.
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There's blue short G I CS at 6.1% that
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we still have client portfolios can't secure that anymore.
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This year, most G I CS are for term deposits are paying 4.8%
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and we'll continue our la
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la
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uh structure notes
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and stay in the short to medium range for fixed income.
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Now, if you look at the opportunity for the longer term market,
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uh we'll wait for the medium and long term bonds
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and uh I I we're just gonna start adding those to the client portfolios very,
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very gingerly.
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Uh I mentioned that we'll start with preferred shares
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and for capital appreciation and dividends, we'll stay defensive
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uh utilities, telecommunications, pharmaceuticals.
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Uh Those are what you'd call the boring businesses.
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Uh But the ones that don't fluctuate as much now,
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we're a little bit light pharmaceuticals because they're too expensive right now.
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But in terms of utilities and telecom, uh we have those in there
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and we'll carry the Canadian banks.
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We said that we always carry the Canadian banks and their dividend
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as there are solid investments until we see
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the real estate becoming volatile.
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If ever the Canadian real estate goes through significant volatility, then we'll,
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we'll reassess uh what we, we do on that on that front.
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Let's talk a little bit about financial professionals and
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um what the narrative is these days as everybody
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is exuberant about markets and markets can never go
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down and things are gonna be uh uh excellent.
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You can see the average uh advisor right now. If you look at a sweet spot,
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the advisor about 35 to 44 years old and 45 to 54
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the amount for, let's say 50% of the market.
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Now, I am glad to tell you that I will join the 19% pretty soon. I'm gonna be 55 in May.
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So I'm gonna fall into that bracket of 55 to 64 years old.
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So advisers that are anywhere from 20 years old to
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all the way to about 45 have not really seen
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the markets being challenged and volatile as we did uh in 2000
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and, you know, maybe 2009 was uh was as close to that.
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Therefore, uh they would have a AAA
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bias of being in the market long term.
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We have the same bias for being uh long term in, in equities.
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But I think our percentages are a lot more conservative when
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we sense that there is more volatility on the horizon.
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So,
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um the chart on the right shows you the same thing,
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the tightening of the, the tech bubble. We had a 48% decline in the market,
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the housing bubble of uh 2006, 2000, 2009,
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uh 56 decline.
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And right now we are in a time of everything bubble.
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And um II I think the story to be told here,
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we're not saying that we'll um
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be immediately going down,
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but we're just saying this is a turn in
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the market where you want to really be cautious.
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And now, um
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that's, that's pretty much the,
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the summary. I just wanted to uh to close by saying that
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um we are optimistic uh overall that we can deliver the right returns for you.
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Uh We'd like to continue those discussions that are planning succession planning,
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uh Everything that's on your mind.
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Uh We will always be here to answer any questions and
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where our next meetings may be virtual is in person.
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We welcome to the Kani
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World head office uh for a discussion or a visit to your
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wo branches in the neighborhood.
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Uh have a wonderful day. Enjoy us uh uh a, a spring day today.
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Uh As we record uh at the beginning of March,
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uh we hope everything's gonna be great for you and your family
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and we're looking forward to continuing our business relationship.
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Uh Everything that's on your mind, just give us a call.
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Uh We'll arm ourselves for the tax package and I
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know Serena will work over time in that area.
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Alongside of us to make sure that you have everything that you need
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until then, have an excellent day and on behalf of
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Kani Wealth, uh
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myself, my brother Flavius Serena and the entire team.
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Uh Thank you very much and we'll update you one more time in the summer.
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