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Audre Lorde - Man Child
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Chapter 1
00:50
Chapter 2
01:38
Chapter 3
02:26
Chapter 4
05:10
Chapter 5
06:56
Chapter 6
08:27
Chapter 7
09:02
Chapter 8
10:40
Chapter 9
13:38
Chapter 10
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Hello, everyone.
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I am doing the presentation for a reading um Man Child by Audrey Lord.
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Uh I personally um have found her to be incredibly inspiring,
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especially through her work with the cancer journals.
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Um So that's why I picked her
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um and hadn't really spent time with this particular reading. Um
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So, but I really appreciate that.
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Uh she kind of helped me find myself to be less lonely and use my voice for advocacy
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and providing oncology care.
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So,
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um my son is 16 and my daughter is 13
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and although my life doesn't mirror that of Audrey Lord,
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um
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I think me learning from her and understanding the complexities
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of parenthood from her point of view is critical to
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my personal and professional development.
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So just a reminder that um this uh was first published in conditions four in 1979.
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Um The magazine at that time
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for women writing uh by lesbians and then Manchild was reprinted
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in her sister Outsider, which
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many of us have read
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uh excerpts from or the whole thing. So,
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um and then also too that um
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work was pretty
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um adamant that she wasn't a, a theorist.
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Um and that this essay was not how to, you know, solution driven
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type of thing. It was really exploring her experience
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and I think she said it best when she said this is the way it was, is with me and Jonathan
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and I leave the theory to another time in person.
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So something that um I thought was really cool.
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Um The Alice Austin House in Staten Island
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um had a really neat exhibit a couple of years ago where a couple close friends and um
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the Children, uh Elizabeth and Jonathan grown adults now
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um uh approved for this um never seen before family um album
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be displayed along with other things about um
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Audrey Lord's life.
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Uh So just kind of a reminder that when she was writing this uh man child,
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she was in Staten Island uh raising her Children that she had had
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with her ex-husband, uh Edwin Rollins who is a, a white gay man.
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Um And then uh
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you know, her Children,
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she started writing this and then by the time she finished it, um
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they were 15 and 14.
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Um This is my other favorite photo I liked from that photo album.
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It shows um Jonathan graduating from Vassar College and
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I just love how this um is such a supportive
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um There's women just in this picture and the mother is in the bottom left and
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I think it just goes to show what she talked about
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providing him
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with the power of female and
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understanding that she was going to have to
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um help him understand the world he was going to enter as a black
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man.
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So the themes to me, child are um
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uh I think ones that you will all readily agree with slash recognize. Um
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There's so much from
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um
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you know, it's not many pages
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but gender masculinity.
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Uh When you really think about her own, recognizing herself,
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household with her and Francis and Elizabeth just again, that, that power of,
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of female
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um along with her critique of the style expectations of masculinity,
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um she talked about, you know, what does it mean to man up, you know, the toxicity of,
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of the playground behavior um
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and just her desire to help him have an understanding of what masculinity is.
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And then when you um look at her stories about, you know,
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mothering and motherhood just um so that anger
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that she had toward that toxic masculinity and,
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and kind of having to stop herself and think about that
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because of course, she's wanting to protect her son
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from those um moments. But
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um she knows it's the world he's heightened into.
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Um I think that when we're reading this,
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uh for sure we can think about she was writing this as
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the light was getting
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lit up for New Jim Crow.
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You know, when you think about 1979 1980
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you have the
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just ridiculous war on drugs and the mass incar
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incarceration
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of black men, um,
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just,
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you know, like a huge,
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uh, wave. And so, um,
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it's interesting to
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think about
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what she's writing about for that, um, vulnerability and,
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um, thinking about her son
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and
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that fear and vulnerability, I think
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she was really good about recognizing
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that sh, um, you know, her, her anger and fear and then how she had the friend say,
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you know,
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did you ever tell him about your stories growing up to really show you're vulnerable
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that you're, you know, he's not letting you down.
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Um
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And then I think
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um
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in the like the bigger picture moving forward in community engagement
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and helping um ways to help um identify um uh your identity and your empowerment.
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So I wanted to just kind of pull out some of the quotes that I think are really,
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really powerful and get at the heart of some of those themes.
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Um The first one really her expressing that, you know,
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in the household that he was in, he, he certainly
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was not going to have um
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a measure, right? As Elizabeth did,
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had a measure of rebellion or, or how to outline a dream or
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um
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and how that comes with
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a lot of responsibility,
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power. And I like the vulnerability that she mentioned again
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um
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to really have those conversations
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about feeling your feelings and it's OK and you don't have to
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um
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subscribe to what was the man up or um the other types of toxic, toxic masculinity.
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Um I certainly think that the second quote is one of the most powerful in the entire um
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essay
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because I think it just really is so out there
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right in front of your face that this is systemic
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racism and oppression and,
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and, you know, do not dare um be destroyed, do not let the corruptions of power
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define you.
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Um And I know, you know, as we're reading this essay, that's where that in that fear.
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Um
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And the duality of her trying to mother and also being very angry and rightfully so,
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um and trying to make sure um
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that he has that uh identity
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that it's not to despise women, it's not to fall into toxic masculinity patterns.
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So
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for me personally, I think that's,
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I've reread that and reread to remind myself,
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I think it's one of the most powerful quotes.
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And then of course,
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um how she has defined herself, you know, black lesbian
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mother, uh poet, warrior. Um
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What's interesting is when I first came to
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know her and I thought about just cancer journals.
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People use the word warrior, a Latin cancer.
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And then, um it's not for, you know,
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not knowing that uh she had other reasons or definitions behind warriors.
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But when you see it
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just that plainly put for survival, they, they must be raised as warriors.
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So again, you know, that
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going back and forth as the mother and having a lot of anger and
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knowing what he's going to have to do to fight for his
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uh rights as he, you know, his, his def definition of who he is, his self identity.
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Um That's a pretty important um
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and powerful statement
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and then I think just kind of
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moving forward when you wanna use
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again. She's not, she does it.
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She's not a theorist, she's a storytelling and this is her,
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her story and Jonathan's story
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that he permitted her to tell.
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Um
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that moving forward, you know, this is what her, her goal is, is that we're not,
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um
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you know, using these kind of toxic uh relationship
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um to
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limit ourselves. And
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um
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so I was trying to think about
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maybe some programs and stuff that, that we did in our area. So,
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um
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I'll talk about that in a second. But uh
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I, I wanted to make sure we saw a picture of the two of them together
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um because she mentions in the essay too,
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uh you know, a
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lesbian couple, an interracial lesbian couple, her being a black lesbian,
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raising a black male.
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Um
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I think that we don't wanna forget Frances Clayton in this.
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Um because she certainly writes about the conversations and the
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family meetings of things to just constantly be negotiating.
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Um
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what, what this all meant
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in the society they were living in and her hope for the future and
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um and so forth.
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So when we kind of think about um
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someone who's studying something the same way or thinking about the same thing.
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Um The approach it from a different angle. Um I think
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NC Tr
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uh fits that bill.
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Um
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You know,
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as we've said that Audre Audrey Lord wants to be viewed
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in that intersectionality way. These are the things that she is and I love that.
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She says I am indivisible. Um You know, the activism
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that she,
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I mean, that's certainly
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I have a lot of legacies. It's certainly
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um one of her main legacies is that her words were so powerful
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and um
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in that activist way. And so
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she's spent a lot of time talking about being in touch with your feelings,
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using your feelings, knowing,
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you know, and that truest direction comes from inside.
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Whereas joo,
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a white feminist um sociologist and psych
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psychoanalyst, she never defined herself as
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at
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least I didn't find anywhere heterosexual or, or straight.
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She had been married, she got separated um from a man.
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Um But as
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um Audrey Lord said it would be presumptuous to know or say what her son's um
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uh sexuality is then I'm not gonna say that for Nancy.
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Um But she certainly is coming from things that an academic analyst,
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analyst analysis, excuse me, perspective um to
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um be discussing, you know, gender roles and sexual division of labor. So
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both providing
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groundbreaking breaking things just a
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very different way of looking at motherhood.
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And um
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I feel like I said, what I thought was a really powerful quote,
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but I certainly think this one is too.
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Um, because it,
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it's for all of us to consider if we are, um, you know,
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moms or stepmoms or whatever we are uh grandmothers.
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Um And so
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I would not even pretend to imagine
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how Audrey wanted to see this happen in a community engagement and setting and how
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to develop um identity and empowerment.
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But
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the best I have right now is seeing something like
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this applied is in our school system um is the um
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uh it's a title one school system where
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um
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the majority
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uh of students um
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is, is black. And then
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uh the next category is white and then some Hispanic and Asian.
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And so they've done a lot to try to just consistently engage families.
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They go into every single neighborhood with this fun thing called the super cat bus
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that might have a school nurse on it might have the librarian on it.
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They just have a lot of different
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ways to
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um
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just constantly engage with the families.
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And then the mentorship programs that they start early on with
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um leaders of the community to come in and have breakfast
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or um also, I think the Daily Dads is a phenomenal idea to really engage
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um
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engage African American males for one for sure.
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But just um some of the some of the dads
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uh to come in and work and they'll be there all day.
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That was the cool thing about the Daily Dads. It wasn't just stopping in for an hour.
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They were there all day,
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uh, and then they do some other cool things to try to just build up self esteem. Um,
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in, in the elementary, the two elementary schools, um,
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bow ties are a really big thing here in, um, our African American men,
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um,
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uh, community.
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Uh,
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the two gentlemen that are kind of,
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I guess you could say the grandfathers and uncles of the community,
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you can always find them in bow tie.
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And so they kind of wanted to try to connect that and, um, have that mentorship and,
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and
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when the child had done something like, hey, you know,
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you're not part of the bow tie club
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and then also getting marked, uh, not marked but picked to do tea with Principal and,
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you know, making the front office a place that you wanna go and not.
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Oh, gosh, I'm in trouble or there's something wrong.
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And then the last thing just some active
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they do career day with, with the fifth graders, the ninth graders and 11th graders,
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I believe
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because I've done, um, guest speaking with Career Day
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and it's bringing, you know, every part of the community in. So it's,
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um, a lot of interaction with police and fire and,
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um, you know, local business owners and, um, the hospital as well.
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And then the, umw James Farmer
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Multicultural Center, they have um their farmer fellows
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that come into school and do a lot of peer
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um uh
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counseling and things.
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So,
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these are the two discussion questions I came up for the group to
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look at in respects to the essay um from the man child.
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And um hopefully we can have some good discussion
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and I'll see you soon.
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