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Unit 2!
01:26
Terms Donor Advised Funds- Nick/Libby 501c3- Katie Watchdog- Frank/Harrison Altrusim- Trevor
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Katie-- What defines a nonprofit from a for profit?
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Nick-- Will nonprofits ever be able to solve the world's problems?
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For Unit 2! Plan ahead-- it includes REAL HUMAN INTERACTION!
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Mhm.
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Hello, welcome to unit two.
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I'm so happy you're here, you made it through unit one and now we are moving forward,
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there's only six of these but they're big so I'm sorry that
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it took a little bit longer this week to get this posted.
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I will beat that next time you still have a full week to get through this unit.
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So I think you should be okay if you're looking at this and you're like oh crap,
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I have a lot to do. I didn't schedule in this amount for this time period.
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Go ahead and send me an email in the next couple of days and we'll work something out.
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But ideally you can keep everybody kind of on the same pace.
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One facet of this unit is going to be um You're
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going to actually interact with one other person in this class,
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in the real world, well or on zoom, it's up to you.
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Um You can meet them if you're around and that's safe
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and you want to or you can meet on zoom,
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that would be just fine too.
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But you're gonna at least get to synchronously talk to one another
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which is kind of fun these days. So um
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I'm going to go through a couple of reflections
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about the previous unit and then preview this unit,
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which is what I'll do every single time.
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Um This is kind of important stuff.
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It's where I kind of clean up any misinformation that got out there.
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Um And also address your actual questions sometimes when I'm grading,
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I'll go ahead and put responses to you right in.
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Um, but other times I will say I'm going to respond to that in this video.
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So that's what we're doing here. So you'll see um,
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your names.
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But also, um, we're gonna talk about the things that you asked questions about.
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So the first was nick and Libby, you talked about donor advised funds.
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This is incredibly important concept and I appreciate y'all zooming in on it.
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It more than anything,
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puts rules around particular types of money.
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So that organizations often have a hard time, um,
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pulling from different buckets of money.
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So for example, at this daily school, there are some
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programs
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under this daily school umbrella
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that are really well funded
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and others that are not really well funded.
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And often that's caused by
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donor advised funds, donors that have particular intent
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at K state. You see that right? It's all one institution,
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but we have a new business building
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and the new leadership building.
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And if you're ever in waters hall,
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you probably don't have air conditioning or something right?
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Like, so we have this huge dichotomy.
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And so from a strategic point, you're like, well,
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we should fix waters before we build a new building.
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But because of private dollars meaning donor advised funds,
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they dictate kind of the priorities and people would much rather
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give money to build new buildings than to fix waters.
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I'm not trying to pick on waters, but you know what I mean?
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Um, so don't advise funds have those features. Um, now
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a donor advised fund is going to have a contract associated
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with it and it's usually only gonna apply to large donations.
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But whatever you outline in that contract,
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I think Libby you asked this like what exactly can you put rules on and
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really you can put anything in the contract and both parties agreed to it.
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So they could say,
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Um,
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I want this $20,000 to K state to go
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to student scholarships and then keep it that broad.
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Or they could define that the elements of that,
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an engineering student from Colby who loves hunting, right?
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Like you could really define that a lot more or you could keep it really broad.
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Um, it's whatever is defined in that contract and really if there's no contract,
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there's really no donor advised fund other than kind of word, you know,
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keeping your word.
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And that's important because you want to keep that donor happy and be ethical.
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So, um, oftentimes will say, well, does this represent the intent of the donor?
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And intense,
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really important because a lot of times folks will donate when they die.
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Right.
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So it's in their will that they leave something big to a nonprofit organization.
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Well,
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what if they didn't really sign a contract for that,
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that donor advised fund that they want to set up with their really big donation.
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Um,
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oftentimes organizations and I think the
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most ethical organizations will try to represent
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their the intent of that donor rather than being able to ask them.
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So I hope that helps on that for five oh one C three.
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This is our really important concept because it applies to over half
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of every non profit is a five oh one C three.
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And the five oh one C three I remember is the tax status.
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And truly it's about the only way to say is it a nonprofit or is it not?
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Um, a nonprofit is not defined by whether you like them,
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by whether you think they do good in
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the world by whether you think they're charitable,
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um, it's defined by their tax status.
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And so Katie was kind of asking, you know,
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do they have to donate a percentage of their budget so
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that they maintain that tax status and stay a nonprofit.
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And the answer is sort of, there's not a hard percentage and it's up to the I. R. S.
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Um, whether to approve
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Their tax status. Again, there C3 status.
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Um,
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and what would the code reads something like
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a substantial amount of their activities have to be
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charitable, educational or religious,
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Um, which is the C3
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rules so
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substantial is, you know, kind of interpret herbal, but yeah,
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you can lose your tax status if you don't do anything
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that's charitable educational, religious.
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Um, the things that are outlined in the C Three status for watchdog groups,
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interesting that two of y'all frank and Harrison
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zoomed in on that watchdog groups are particularly important for nonprofits
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because a greater level of transparency
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is expected from nonprofit organizations.
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So there's all sorts of watchdog organizations,
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many of them are nonprofits themselves,
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who are checking in to make sure that nonprofits are,
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are good or following the rules in their opinion.
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So there's organizations like guidestar is a big one.
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Um, there's, there's a bunch of them that where you can search,
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is this a good nonprofit sort of thing.
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Um,
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and you know, they use different metrics and I have kind of critiques of,
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of different ways in which they measure goodness for different organizations.
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But more than anything is to say there are groups watching nonprofits in
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the way that I think there are fewer or lower percentage watching businesses.
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The reason for that
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is that people care
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what nonprofits do with their money.
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So think about this for a second, Go to wal mart,
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you buy some shampoo and you pay 10 bucks,
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I don't know, expensive shampoo. And
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After you buy that shampoo, you're done with that transaction, right.
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You don't really think about what's Walmart doing with
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my $10 or the $5 they made in profit.
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What are they doing with that? I hope they're right, you're not following up for you.
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The transaction is over, right?
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You paid the money and you got the thing
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that you thought was worth that amount of money.
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Now, let's say you give that $10 to a non profit organization,
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but you didn't get like a product in return, you just gave it as a donation.
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Now you have a different, that's not the closed transaction for you anymore, right?
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It's still open, it's still like I wonder what they're doing.
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So you wonder and you need these transparency organizations to inform you of,
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is that a good organization?
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Is the Salvation Army doing what they said they would do with my money.
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Um So with donations,
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if you're always kind of tied to them in a way that
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with a business transaction you're not
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necessarily always tied to that transaction.
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Finally, Trevor asked about altruism, which is a huge question that I can't answer.
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Um where does altruism come from?
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And you know, some people don't even believe in altruism at all.
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Um
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There's a friends episode where
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or Phoebe let's a bee sting her um to kind of
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show that there's really no such thing as altruism at all.
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Um That the bee stinging her was the thing that she
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could think of that was no benefit to her at all.
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It wasn't selfish in any way, but she was just doing it
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for the goodness of her heart
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and then the friends tell her that he died and
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you know it's a whole sitcom thing. But um
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altruism stuff, right? Do people ever act in a way that's totally
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disconnected from their own being
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um you know it's a philosophy question, it's a big one,
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but I appreciate y'all asking the questions about the terms.
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This is our language. This is the language of nonprofit organizations.
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So it's really critical.
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It would be really sad for you to get through
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this class and not know some of these things.
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These are the critical language that if you walked into any organization,
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uh they all know this,
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this is their world. So it's a language of the sector
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that I'm glad we're spending time on and I'm glad we're kind of diving in too deep. So
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Katie asked a question in a different assignment that
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I thought was worth pulling out on its own.
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What are the differences between nonprofit and
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for profit or nonprofit and business?
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This is critical. So I would break these down into a couple areas,
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one
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democratically governed.
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And what I mean by democratically governed is that a board?
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So a collection of people are ultimately in charge
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of the nonprofit rather than a single person.
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So when an organization is democratically governed,
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it's slower and more cumbersome and there's lots of features of that,
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but that really distinguishes the nonprofit sector
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um, from the business sector
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because you can design a business where one person is in charge.
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Um
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another way is that
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the
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the way and the purpose,
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the way in which the mission is driving
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everything rather than the profit is driving everything.
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Alright. Some missions are really hard to achieve,
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right? If the,
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if the answer is save the rainforest,
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how do you know when the rainforest is saved or when you've done a good job that year,
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saving some rain forest.
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It's difficult to measure,
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whereas profit,
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it's hard to get.
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So don't let me, don't misconstrue that.
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It's hard to get profit, but it's easy to measure profit, right?
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You have a dollar amount,
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It's a numerical figure and every time it goes up it's better.
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And every time it goes down it's work.
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So it's very clear, there's a number tied to your success
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with, with nonprofits.
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There's often not a number tied to your success or the numbers that
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are tied are very hard to obtain are really difficult to understand.
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So, um, that's the second way.
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So democratic governance and the difficulty of the mission.
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The final feature of this is,
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it's hard for nonprofits to know when they need to leave when they're done
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when they're not making a good impact anymore.
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Um, a business knows when you lose money for so long,
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you probably shouldn't be a business anymore.
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Right?
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Um, but nonprofits always do a little good right?
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Like, so if I help 10 people, I can pat myself on the back and say that was a great help.
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10 people,
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but
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Maybe I should have been helping 1000. Right? So really difficult to know.
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There's no mechanism to push you out of business
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to say you shouldn't be an organization anymore.
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The last thing I want to pull out from y'all is something nick said,
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which is a big question about, you know,
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whether nonprofits can ever kind of solve everything and
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I wanted to pull this out because there's a
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big debate going on and has been for a
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long time where there's a critique of nonprofit organizations.
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Um
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are they just
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papering over so kind of hiding or masking
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really big systemic problems?
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And
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should we just
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let those problems play their course out and then
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we would build systems to solve those problems.
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So like if you take, you know, poverty for example, this enormous problem,
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um
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maybe they're just american probably let's just kind of like
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hone in on something
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and you have this problem of american poverty
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are non profits just kind of keeping people afloat and allowing
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the rest of us have a system
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that,
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that keeps people just barely alive,
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like we don't have people starving in the streets.
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So
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do we have a new nonprofit kind of buoy this unfair system?
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Like keep people just barely above um, you know,
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starvation levels and is that problematic?
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Should they just let everything go to hell and maybe
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then we would design new systems to make sure people don't
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um go hungry, right? So you can do it with kind of any issue. But
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the thing is what does that let things go to hell look like, right?
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It's really terrible and people die.
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Um, and you know, I don't think anything any of us want to actually live through.
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So there's this debate going on of like,
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do you let it crash and build up like a more radical look
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or do nonprofit And do nonprofits kind of prevent that from happening?
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Or do you do you let nonprofits do the wonderful work they do,
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but maintained kind of systems of
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inequality and power?
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Big questions.
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Think about it, wrestle with the answers.
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So the last thing I want to do is give you a preview of what's to come.
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Um,
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more than anything. I just want you to plan ahead this week.
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So what we did last week was kind of set the stage talked about nonprofits, um,
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what they are, how they're distinguished, how many,
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how big all that stuff kind of painted the landscape
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for this week.
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We're going to dive into an issue
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that
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um, many nonprofits and
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the stereotype is all nonprofits, but many non profits deal with this issue.
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And it's poverty,
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right? And you can say food insecurity, but poverty, right?
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We're talking about people who don't have enough money for basic human need.
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Um,
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it's a big enough issue that it's worth spending an entire unit of this class on.
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So what we're gonna do is dive deep into the issue of poverty.
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Um, it ain't a fun subject, I'm sorry, but it's important.
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So, um,
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the way this week works is there's a few resources and then you're going to talk about
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it with someone and then there's also another set
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of resources and you're going to write about it
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and turn it in.
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So it's less of an individual assignment little thing and you kind of do
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everything and then do a bigger kind of connection type type of assignment.
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Um So check out who your partner is.
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Find their email,
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email them um and try and set something up and
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as always let me know if you have any questions.
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Um It's asynchronous. It doesn't mean I'm unavailable so I'm still here
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in my office at all times basically so just email me and I'll get
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back to you really quick and we'll figure out whatever issue you're going through.
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Um Thanks for the work you put into the first week and
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I'll see you on campus.
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