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Chapter 1
00:30
Chapter 2
01:19
Chapter 3
03:02
Chapter 4
03:05
Chapter 5
03:08
Chapter 6
04:33
Chapter 7
05:29
Chapter 8
09:30
Chapter 9
10:25
Chapter 10
12:38
Chapter 11
Audio Transcript
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a very good afternoon to you all.
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Um,
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the topic that, uh, I'll be, uh, presenting today, uh, to, uh
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is, uh, on God,
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we are trying to understand God, and, uh,
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we are going to use, uh, many scholars,
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and, uh, some of those scholars are theologians themselves in trying to,
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uh understand,
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uh, who God is.
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So,
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uh, the first slide,
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what is the main issue?
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The main question or issue that the author is addressing
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is to try
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and understand who God is.
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What is pertinent in this discussion
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and unanimously agreed by the philosophers
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is that God cannot be fully grasped.
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So that is what, uh is very important.
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In this discussion,
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God cannot be himself a worldly reality,
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something qualitatively similar to human nature.
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Human beings can only describe certain attributes of who God is,
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but they cannot comprehend him fully, to be able to give a whole definition
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of who he is.
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So what does the article say about God?
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The article appeals to the Catholic Christian tradition
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that argues that the most properly speaking
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God is strange
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and personal power revealed
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in the total event of Jesus Christ. So in other words, the article is saying that
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we can,
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The more closer we can understand. God
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is,
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uh, when we look at Jesus Christ,
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that's the closest
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that we can understand God
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in Jesus. It's a union of two natures
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human and divine
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two modes of existence which is
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created and uncreative,
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which come together
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in the closest possible unity
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without mixing and mingling
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or confusing,
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reinforcing the idea that still, God is not a worldly reality
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and not similar to human nature.
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Hence, still, God cannot be comprehended fully
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not. From what I said.
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I am saying God cannot be comprehended fully. But I am not saying that
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people cannot comprehend God.
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They might see something of God in nature,
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something of God, uh, in human beings.
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But
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what, uh uh the author is arguing is that
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people cannot fully grasp
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or people cannot fully,
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uh,
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uh comprehend who God is fully.
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So,
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uh, I'm going to look at what some
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theologians and, uh, what some scholars have said,
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uh, in their bid to try to comprehend God,
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Thomas
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Aquinas described God as I
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as
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a
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meaning that he is being itself,
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and an
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also had a conception of God in his
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prologue
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as
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that which no other greater can be taught.
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And his narrative is
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illuminating and fascinating in that
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it demonstrates the impossibility of capturing the true God in the needs of mind.
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Augustine describes God
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as
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in
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at Superior, someone
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Mao
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translated to me
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closer to me than I am to myself and higher than anything I could imagine
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in a way to comprehend more the nature of God.
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And in trying to understand God, Quina
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sums up that God
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can never be defined
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and is essentially
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and not simply
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provisionally
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incomprehensible.
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Acquire
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us, persists that we can understand God
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to an extent
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by his attributes, such as the divine simplicity,
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immutability
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omniscient
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omnipotence.
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And the author concludes that
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he is. Love is portrayed in Christ
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and the way the holy Trinity of the Father,
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the son
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and the Holy Spirit works.
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So this is, um
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what, uh, Robert Barron
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is saying that,
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um,
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God is love is portrayed in Christ
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and the way the holy spirit of the Father, the son
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and the spirit and the Holy Spirit works.
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Then we look at what, uh,
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and be,
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uh, say.
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He suggests that
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when listing the attributes of God
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the starting point should be his self
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existence,
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as
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which implies his eternal
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and unconditioned nature.
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So, uh, this is what he suggests that when we talk of God,
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uh, the starting point should be his, uh, self existence, which he calls
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a,
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uh, which implies that,
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uh, God is eternal.
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And, uh, he has an unconditioned nature.
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That is why probably it's very difficult to comprehend him
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because, uh, he is not conditioned. His nature is is not conditioned.
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Like maybe probably our nature.
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We are conditioned, but,
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uh, with God,
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he was always there. He is eternal.
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We will always be there, and then he cannot be conditioned.
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Uh,
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so the conditions that affect us
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do not affect God.
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He goes on to consider the following additional attributes.
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Creator being the source of all
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that
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composes his creation,
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crash your ex
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and the sustainer of what he has brought into being,
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uh, persona. He's the persona
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loving
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go God and Holy.
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So this is what, uh, he goes on to say that
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first
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we talk of a say
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that God cannot hear unconditioned matter.
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And yet, uh, when we talk of his attributes again, we should consider
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that he's the creator
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being the source of all that composes the creation
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and also the sustainment of what he has brought into being personal, loving,
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good and holy.
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So, in other words, it's, uh what he is showing is that
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we cannot limit God like,
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uh, to say that, uh, God is just found here. God is just found in this.
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God is everywhere. He's even the sustainer of what he creates.
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And everything was created by him. He's the one who created everything.
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So, in other words, um, I think,
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uh, this, uh, sort of like, um uh
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supports what Igne
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says that
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we have to see God in everything
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because
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we cannot condition him.
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He is in everything that we see. Everything that has been created.
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Uh, God, is there everything that we see in nature? Everything growing
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God resides there, so God cannot be conditioned like us.
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And then Bekoff also starts with self
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existence,
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but moves on
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to imitable
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infinity,
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which implies perfection,
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eternity and omnipresence unity.
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He then analyses a series of intellectual attributes,
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knowledge, omniscience,
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wisdom,
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ferocity
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and then
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the moral attributes of goodness,
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including love, grace, mercy and patience.
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Uh, holiness
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and righteousness
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before dealing finally
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with his sovereignity.
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So this is how, uh, they describe,
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uh, God,
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Gregory of
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NSA
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was one of the first theologians to argue that God is infinite.
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His main argument for the infinity of God, which can be found
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in
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Guinness.
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You know, Miss, is that God's goodness is limitless.
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And
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as God's goodness is essential,
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God is also
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limitless.
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Comment. Uh, no one theologian can give a definition of God, like I said,
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without describing his attributes.
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Even so, when God's attributes help to comprehend him,
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no one,
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no one can grasp him fully.
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The article managed to tackle the subject in question very well,
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because there is a logical and coherent way of argument
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developing, starting from the early philosophers and theologians
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trying to to define God like Ansel Mak
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and uh uh And, uh, you know, following how
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their understanding was developed,
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Uh, when he concludes
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with the gospel of John who simply defined,
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uh, him by the attribute of love. So I think, uh, the article has managed to do that.
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Also, the article manages to use the scripture in supporting arguments,
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for example, the attributes of
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IIT creation,
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among others.
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The article's arguments are well presented.
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Therefore, it is easy to follow and understand
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the issues in question.
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However, there is
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a helpless feeling to both the reader
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and I think, the author, because
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there is a general feeling
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that we are trying to define the complex,
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something that cannot be fully understood and something beyond our grasp.
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Yet
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the attempt is
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nece
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necessary and leads
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to a certain level of understanding
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that we cannot measure still,
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And I think that brings satisfaction that God is beyond our human understanding.
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So there is a hopelessness that you feel,
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um,
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no matter how you try, no matter the words, you you actually,
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uh, cannot get
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the language that can, uh, fully describe who God is
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if you say he's immutable.
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If you say he's the creator of all things, if you say he's not conditioned.
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So uh, it's just using his attributes.
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But then you cannot describe him like using a word or a sentence.
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Still, it will not be sufficient.
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So the sources that I used, uh,
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was the book
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companion to Catholicism.
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Uh, and the article by Robert Barron
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um,
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and others, like a guide to convention and practise,
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uh
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Ziga
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part one,
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uh, God. Chapter in the
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in the biblical, uh,
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belief in God.
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Introduction to Christianity.
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Uh, second revised FA.
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So this is my presentation. Uh, on God,
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Thank you for listening.
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Uh, I hope you have managed to grasp one or two things.
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Uh, have a good day. Thank you.
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