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  1. a very good afternoon to you all.
  2. Um,
  3. the topic that, uh, I'll be, uh, presenting today, uh, to, uh
  4. is, uh, on God,
  5. we are trying to understand God, and, uh,
  6. we are going to use, uh, many scholars,
  7. and, uh, some of those scholars are theologians themselves in trying to,
  8. uh understand,
  9. uh, who God is.
  10. So,
  11. uh, the first slide,
  12. what is the main issue?
  13. The main question or issue that the author is addressing
  14. is to try
  15. and understand who God is.
  16. What is pertinent in this discussion
  17. and unanimously agreed by the philosophers
  18. is that God cannot be fully grasped.
  19. So that is what, uh is very important.
  20. In this discussion,
  21. God cannot be himself a worldly reality,
  22. something qualitatively similar to human nature.
  23. Human beings can only describe certain attributes of who God is,
  24. but they cannot comprehend him fully, to be able to give a whole definition
  25. of who he is.
  26. So what does the article say about God?
  27. The article appeals to the Catholic Christian tradition
  28. that argues that the most properly speaking
  29. God is strange
  30. and personal power revealed
  31. in the total event of Jesus Christ. So in other words, the article is saying that
  32. we can,
  33. The more closer we can understand. God
  34. is,
  35. uh, when we look at Jesus Christ,
  36. that's the closest
  37. that we can understand God
  38. in Jesus. It's a union of two natures
  39. human and divine
  40. two modes of existence which is
  41. created and uncreative,
  42. which come together
  43. in the closest possible unity
  44. without mixing and mingling
  45. or confusing,
  46. reinforcing the idea that still, God is not a worldly reality
  47. and not similar to human nature.
  48. Hence, still, God cannot be comprehended fully
  49. not. From what I said.
  50. I am saying God cannot be comprehended fully. But I am not saying that
  51. people cannot comprehend God.
  52. They might see something of God in nature,
  53. something of God, uh, in human beings.
  54. But
  55. what, uh uh the author is arguing is that
  56. people cannot fully grasp
  57. or people cannot fully,
  58. uh,
  59. uh comprehend who God is fully.
  60. So,
  61. uh, I'm going to look at what some
  62. theologians and, uh, what some scholars have said,
  63. uh, in their bid to try to comprehend God,
  64. Thomas
  65. Aquinas described God as I
  66. as
  67. a
  68. meaning that he is being itself,
  69. and an
  70. also had a conception of God in his
  71. prologue
  72. as
  73. that which no other greater can be taught.
  74. And his narrative is
  75. illuminating and fascinating in that
  76. it demonstrates the impossibility of capturing the true God in the needs of mind.
  77. Augustine describes God
  78. as
  79. in
  80. at Superior, someone
  81. Mao
  82. translated to me
  83. closer to me than I am to myself and higher than anything I could imagine
  84. in a way to comprehend more the nature of God.
  85. And in trying to understand God, Quina
  86. sums up that God
  87. can never be defined
  88. and is essentially
  89. and not simply
  90. provisionally
  91. incomprehensible.
  92. Acquire
  93. us, persists that we can understand God
  94. to an extent
  95. by his attributes, such as the divine simplicity,
  96. immutability
  97. omniscient
  98. omnipotence.
  99. And the author concludes that
  100. he is. Love is portrayed in Christ
  101. and the way the holy Trinity of the Father,
  102. the son
  103. and the Holy Spirit works.
  104. So this is, um
  105. what, uh, Robert Barron
  106. is saying that,
  107. um,
  108. God is love is portrayed in Christ
  109. and the way the holy spirit of the Father, the son
  110. and the spirit and the Holy Spirit works.
  111. Then we look at what, uh,
  112. and be,
  113. uh, say.
  114. He suggests that
  115. when listing the attributes of God
  116. the starting point should be his self
  117. existence,
  118. as
  119. which implies his eternal
  120. and unconditioned nature.
  121. So, uh, this is what he suggests that when we talk of God,
  122. uh, the starting point should be his, uh, self existence, which he calls
  123. a,
  124. uh, which implies that,
  125. uh, God is eternal.
  126. And, uh, he has an unconditioned nature.
  127. That is why probably it's very difficult to comprehend him
  128. because, uh, he is not conditioned. His nature is is not conditioned.
  129. Like maybe probably our nature.
  130. We are conditioned, but,
  131. uh, with God,
  132. he was always there. He is eternal.
  133. We will always be there, and then he cannot be conditioned.
  134. Uh,
  135. so the conditions that affect us
  136. do not affect God.
  137. He goes on to consider the following additional attributes.
  138. Creator being the source of all
  139. that
  140. composes his creation,
  141. crash your ex
  142. and the sustainer of what he has brought into being,
  143. uh, persona. He's the persona
  144. loving
  145. go God and Holy.
  146. So this is what, uh, he goes on to say that
  147. first
  148. we talk of a say
  149. that God cannot hear unconditioned matter.
  150. And yet, uh, when we talk of his attributes again, we should consider
  151. that he's the creator
  152. being the source of all that composes the creation
  153. and also the sustainment of what he has brought into being personal, loving,
  154. good and holy.
  155. So, in other words, it's, uh what he is showing is that
  156. we cannot limit God like,
  157. uh, to say that, uh, God is just found here. God is just found in this.
  158. God is everywhere. He's even the sustainer of what he creates.
  159. And everything was created by him. He's the one who created everything.
  160. So, in other words, um, I think,
  161. uh, this, uh, sort of like, um uh
  162. supports what Igne
  163. says that
  164. we have to see God in everything
  165. because
  166. we cannot condition him.
  167. He is in everything that we see. Everything that has been created.
  168. Uh, God, is there everything that we see in nature? Everything growing
  169. God resides there, so God cannot be conditioned like us.
  170. And then Bekoff also starts with self
  171. existence,
  172. but moves on
  173. to imitable
  174. infinity,
  175. which implies perfection,
  176. eternity and omnipresence unity.
  177. He then analyses a series of intellectual attributes,
  178. knowledge, omniscience,
  179. wisdom,
  180. ferocity
  181. and then
  182. the moral attributes of goodness,
  183. including love, grace, mercy and patience.
  184. Uh, holiness
  185. and righteousness
  186. before dealing finally
  187. with his sovereignity.
  188. So this is how, uh, they describe,
  189. uh, God,
  190. Gregory of
  191. NSA
  192. was one of the first theologians to argue that God is infinite.
  193. His main argument for the infinity of God, which can be found
  194. in
  195. Guinness.
  196. You know, Miss, is that God's goodness is limitless.
  197. And
  198. as God's goodness is essential,
  199. God is also
  200. limitless.
  201. Comment. Uh, no one theologian can give a definition of God, like I said,
  202. without describing his attributes.
  203. Even so, when God's attributes help to comprehend him,
  204. no one,
  205. no one can grasp him fully.
  206. The article managed to tackle the subject in question very well,
  207. because there is a logical and coherent way of argument
  208. developing, starting from the early philosophers and theologians
  209. trying to to define God like Ansel Mak
  210. and uh uh And, uh, you know, following how
  211. their understanding was developed,
  212. Uh, when he concludes
  213. with the gospel of John who simply defined,
  214. uh, him by the attribute of love. So I think, uh, the article has managed to do that.
  215. Also, the article manages to use the scripture in supporting arguments,
  216. for example, the attributes of
  217. IIT creation,
  218. among others.
  219. The article's arguments are well presented.
  220. Therefore, it is easy to follow and understand
  221. the issues in question.
  222. However, there is
  223. a helpless feeling to both the reader
  224. and I think, the author, because
  225. there is a general feeling
  226. that we are trying to define the complex,
  227. something that cannot be fully understood and something beyond our grasp.
  228. Yet
  229. the attempt is
  230. nece
  231. necessary and leads
  232. to a certain level of understanding
  233. that we cannot measure still,
  234. And I think that brings satisfaction that God is beyond our human understanding.
  235. So there is a hopelessness that you feel,
  236. um,
  237. no matter how you try, no matter the words, you you actually,
  238. uh, cannot get
  239. the language that can, uh, fully describe who God is
  240. if you say he's immutable.
  241. If you say he's the creator of all things, if you say he's not conditioned.
  242. So uh, it's just using his attributes.
  243. But then you cannot describe him like using a word or a sentence.
  244. Still, it will not be sufficient.
  245. So the sources that I used, uh,
  246. was the book
  247. companion to Catholicism.
  248. Uh, and the article by Robert Barron
  249. um,
  250. and others, like a guide to convention and practise,
  251. uh
  252. Ziga
  253. part one,
  254. uh, God. Chapter in the
  255. in the biblical, uh,
  256. belief in God.
  257. Introduction to Christianity.
  258. Uh, second revised FA.
  259. So this is my presentation. Uh, on God,
  260. Thank you for listening.
  261. Uh, I hope you have managed to grasp one or two things.
  262. Uh, have a good day. Thank you.