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Should women be allowed to serve as priests in the Roman Catholic Church?
Transcript of Should women be allowed to serve as priests in the Roman Catholic Church?
Women should not be allowed to serve as priests.
Women should be allowed to serve as priests.
What do you think?
Michaela Balfe, Ryan Heck,
Lauren Howard and Meghan Munoz
In Genesis 2 God creates Adam first and Eve from Adam's rib.
Genesis 3:16 (God is speaking to Eve)
"Unto the woman He said…your desire shall be to your husband, and he shall rule over you."
1 Timothy 2:11-14
"Let a woman learn in silence with full submission. I permit no woman to teach or have authority over a man; she is to keep silent. For Adam was formed first then Eve."
1 Corinthians 11:3
, "But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God."
When Jesus chose his 12 apostles, he didn't choose any women. Christians follow the teachings of Christ and Christ chose only males. While there were female disciples that followed him, God only wanted males in control of Christ's teachings.
There are 48 male prophets and only 7 female prophetesses. The major prophets, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel and Daniel, are all male.
Whether or not women should be priests is not a matter of social justice, but rather what is right under God.
God created men and women equally yet gave them different roles.
Women have the role of giving birth whereas men do not (See Thomas Beatie)
Women can take on different roles in the Catholic church such as becoming a nun.
Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.
Should the church include divorce as an acceptable practice?
In order to understand these arguments, you must understand that God has a reason for everything and we must not question Him. God wanted males as Catholic priests as seen by Jesus, his apostles and the gospel. We do not know why He wanted it this way, but He did. There are many things we do not understand such as why do innocent children get terminal cancer while a serial killer might live until age 70. It is unexplainable, but God has a reason for everything even if do not understand. Males as priests in the Catholic Church is just another one of God's many mysteries.
The Catholic Church has a record of sacred tradition that must be protected.
If we question why women shouldn't be priests, we are questioning the Lord's authority and his judgment. God wanted men to be priests and we should not question His decision.
Pope Francis on the issue
“The reservation of the priesthood to males, as a sign of Christ the spouse who gives himself in the Eucharist, is not a question open to discussion,” the Pope said, “but it can prove especially divisive if sacramental power is too closely identified with power in general.”
The idea that ordination equals power not only robs the Church of valuable contributions from women, he said, it presents a misguided view of the priesthood and the sacraments.
There are other sects of Christianity that do allow women to lead, but the Roman Catholic church is not one of them.
Canon law 1024
A baptized male alone receives sacred ordination validly
Roman Catholic Church: Priesthood Requirements
Historical and Biblical Argument
Traditionally restricted to men due to historical interpretations of Biblical scriptures based on cultural norms
If we upheld every tradition from the Bible and applied it to modern day Catholicism we would have a very different Church, many less members, and an even greater shortage of ordained priests
"In Persona Christi Capitis'
Priests act 'in person of Christ', they are the 'head of his body'
God cannot be characterized or categorized to the male gender, He is beyond human gender categorization
Gender is not relevant to God's nature or 'being'
Galations 4:28 - "there is neither male nor female; for you all are in Christ"
Female Theologians' Argument
Julian of Norwich
God is our mother as much as he is our 'Father
Christ as a 'motherly figure''
Jesus' 'follower' equivalent to male apostle
Written about more than the apostles in all four gospels
First witness of the resurrection to testify to central teaching of Christian faith
Prophetess=higher rank than apostles
Roman Catholic Church should change with the times, as other traditions have changed
Historical increase of women's rights
Must evolve with cultural change
Voting rights, political rights, employment rights
God does not discriminate, we are all equal to Him because we were created by Him, in his image.
Submission of Women
The Apostles Argument
How can you argue that gender has no role in religion because certain bible verses such as First Timothy 2:11-14 say otherwise?
Support Julian of Norwich' in her argument in that how can God possibly be a motherly figure, when God and Catholic priests are referred .to as "Father."
Why is God referred to as 'our Father' 13 times in the Old Testament and in the New Testament over 150 time by Jesus? Jesus referred to God as his father over 150 times and Jesus spoke of God as our father 30 times.
While prophets or prophetesses may rank higher than apostle, there are 48 male prophets in the Bible and only 7 prophetesses, so I would argue that God wanted males to be the head of the church. How would you argue that?
You say that there is a social and gender issue with not allowing women to be priests and that times are changing. However, we are told God and the Catholic Church is unchanging. How would you respond to that?
Not an issue of gender rights
Strong Catholic traditions can not be broken
can not accept everything that is culturally accepted i.e. divorce
A Catholic Priest represents Jesus Christ
Women and men have been given different roles in the Bible.
Eve was made of Adam.
Genesis 3:16 "Unto the woman He said…your desire shall be to your husband, and he shall rule over you."
1 Timothy 2:11-14 "Let a woman learn in silence with full submission. I permit no woman to teach or have authority over a man; she is to keep silent. For Adam was form first then Eve."
1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God."
Jesus has all men as apostles
There are 48 male prophets in the Bible and only 7 prophetesses
The major prophets are all males
Where did canon law come from?
Is it internally consistent?
Separate but equal? Not really
The argument that Eve is inferior to Adam based on the fact that she was created from his rib is suspicious. Is a child inferior to his parents for the same reason?
Separation of duties based on gender is antiquated and impractical
The existence of even one female prophetess shows God's approval of females in teaching and authoritative roles. No qualitative statements are made about their status.
The Apostles argument...
Social Issues...Church domain
Social issues are every bit the business of the church. Without church members, there is no church and it is the duty of the church to recognize antiquated social norms that subjugate it's members. If this were not true, women would be without a voice in the church all together.
1 Corinthians 14: 34-35 -
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
Tradition's may dictate church law change and while they may dictate church law, they should not dictate it forever. Because traditions change so should the laws that are based upon them.
New testament laws and traditions
The first account of creation comes before Gen 2. In Gen 1:26 it states "Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the creatures that move along the ground." So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. How do you determine which is the "real" account and therefore relevant to this debate?
I Corinthians 11:11 states "In the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God" This is only a few verses later and yet seems to negate your argument. Can you explain this?
You say that “God only wanted males in control of Christ’s teaching” Can you point me towards the place in the Bible where God commands this?
Mary Magdalene was a central figure in the new testament alongside the twelve apostles and the first to see the resurrected figure of Jesus. If she were subordinate to men, why wouldn’t he have revealed himself to one of his “preferred male” apostles?
Matthew 5:32 - and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.
1 Peter 2:18 - Slaves, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh
Titus 1:13 - "Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons." This testimony is true...They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.
1 Corinthians 14:34-35 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church
1 Timothy 2:11 - A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing - if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with propriety.
I commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is [also] a minister of the church at Cenchreae,
Greet Andronicus and
, my relatives and my fellow prisoners;
they are prominent among the apostles
and they were in Christ before me.