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LORD OF THE FLIES - CHAPTER 8 SEMINAR
Transcript of LORD OF THE FLIES - CHAPTER 8 SEMINAR
- Jack represents a lawless society, while Ralph represents ‘civilized’ society and leadership
- If chaos is left unchecked, it can separate itself completely from sense and logic, taking on an energy that grows only greater until the final purpose is achieved. -Pig head on a stick -- power
-Killing of the sow symbolized the conquering of all fear as Jack's tribe becomes more primitive and barbaric
-Jack used violence to express power and superiority --Golding’s nod to World War II, in which dictators (like Hitler) used violence as a means to express superiority "Fancy thinking the Beast was something you could hunt and kill... I'm part of you." (Golding 143) "There was blackness within, a blackness that spread." (Golding 144)
-Simon’s conversation with the ‘Lord of the Flies’ -- a conversation with the darker, evil part of the human psyche
-People can be consumed by the dark side of their being – a side that is repressed and not apparent in ‘civilised’ society, but makes itself known in situations such as the one the boys were in. The severed head
The severed pig head that Jack places is supposed to be an offering to the Beast; however, instead of showing a negotiation between the two parties, in reality, Jack ends up trying to bargain with his evil side. When Simon later wanders into the domain of the pig’s head, it violently expands, representing the growing evil that is enveloping Jack’s hunters (and eventually all of the island’s denizens). The quote “This is ridiculous. You know perfectly well you’ll only meet me down there – so don’t try to escape!" (Golding, 143) demonstrates the idea of primal dissonance overtaking the orderly progress that Ralph and Piggy are trying to make.
An alternate interpretation of the pig’s head is that it represents human evil. It can be stated that the cutting of the pig’s head symbolizes evil being freed of its restraints. In Simon’s vision, the head swells, this corresponds to the evil that is heading towards Ralph. -Jack calls a meeting, expressing his anger towards Ralph's way of leading, and leaves the group to form his own tribe
-Jack's tribe kills a pig and sever the head as a 'gift' to give to the Beast
Jack's tribe steals burning branches from Ralph's tribe for their own fire
-Simon wanders off and finds the pig head. He imagines the head talking to him as the Lord of the Flies
-Simon realizes that 'the Beast' is non-existent in reality, but is something that exists in each of the boys Summary Analysis -Jack's intentions, goals, and actions to be chief have become evident
-The boys are completely devoted to pleasing the Beast as they are immersed in the fact that the Beast will hunt them down
-Simon's encounter with the pig head is arguably one of the most important parts of the book
-It is revealed that the Beast is not an actual monster on the island. Instead, it is something that is within each of the boys, and represents what bloody actions man is capable of
-Simon is a character who can remain good even when everything around him is evil and chaotic Ralph - discouraged after Jack leaves
- loses his sense of direction as a leader
- desire for rescue seems weakened
- "... Ralph's remarks seemed lame..." (Golding 142) Piggy - begins to take on more of a leadership role
- Piggy becomes "full of pride in his contribution to the good of society" (Golding 129) and also because Ralph begins accepting Piggy
- very content that Jack left
- excites the group again by suggesting that they should move the fire down to the platform Jack - still power hungry
- abandons group and creates his own cult like tribe
- separation marks disappearance of Jack's morals
- considers acts of savagery fun Characters The largest theme present in Lord of the Flies is a battle between the Id and the Super-Ego. Jack tries to prolong the survival of the group of schoolboys (using methods like killing pigs for food), while Ralph tries to actually get the group rescued (a signal fire is the major method of rescue that he employs).
Four smaller themes present in the chapter include:
Change of power – necessity
Heroism – real and perceived
Pride and downfall
Progress – real and illusive Ralph’s fire
Ralph is using the fire to signal ships, but Jack’s use for the fire is to cook, which is a purpose that has more of a short-term use instead of being a permanent solution to their stranding. The symbolic meaning is that Jack is stealing the lifeblood from Ralph’s group. This is evident when they later arrive to take Piggy’s glasses, which further shows their taking of Ralph’s method of rescue. The three descriptions of the Beast’s hiding places
The three voices who describe the whereabouts of the Beast refer to three different places: the sea, the shadows, and the trees. These three locations indicate major thoughts of their speakers. Ralph claims that the Beast lives in the sea, showing his belief that his Naval Commander father would soon arrive to rescue them, (Golding, 13) . Piggy asserts that the Beast hides in the trees, which is reminiscent of the signal fire incident, as he still remembers what has happened with the first signal bonfire. Jack declares that the Beast takes cover in the shadows, which can signify his own internal darkness. Simon - stays back and observes
- restraint to not abandon his moral self
- moral at heart, not because of expectations
- spiritual The separation of Ralph and Jack’s groups After Jack fails to push forward the motion to remove Ralph from power, he runs off. If he did manage to take Ralph out of power, he would nominate himself to come into power. The pride that he shows in the first and second chapter returns, and it leads him to his downfall. None of the schoolboys (not even any of the choir members) vote for Jack because he never had a real plan. Since Jack's goal of gathering food is a constant duty, following Jack would go on indefinitely until the island would be cleared of animals, starving everybody still left. Change of power – necessity
When Jack tries to remove Ralph from power, he uses phrases like "he [Ralph] isn't a proper chief", and "he's a coward himself". (Golding, 126)
Both these statements are ironic, they reflect the way politicians in real life deal with things.
Jack's word choice is odd, as he adds 'himself' to the end of his sentence. Though he may have been trying to get a "one of the team" spin on his thought, it instead implies that he too is a coward.
The second odd thing he says is that Ralph isn't a proper chief. The irony in this statement is clear, since he himself is no better, since he has most of the bad qualities that he attributes with Ralph. Heroism – real and perceived
One of Jack's major arguing points is that Ralph is not a proper chief. Jack implies that because Ralph does not go out and hunt for food, he is not helping the schoolboy group as much as he believes. However, Jack's own sense of heroism is warped, since he is so caught up in hunting pigs for food and entertainment that he misses the actual way to save everybody; to get rescued. Pride and downfall
Again, a major turning point in Chapter 8 is dedicated to another of Jack's many facets. With the theme "Pride and Downfall" there is a lot to be said about Jack's habits.
Ever since the start of the novel, he is described as a natural leader (and he is one, since he's the choir head boy), to which Golding describes his actions as arrogant (Golding 22).
Jack places excessive pride on his abilities, which makes it almost satisfying when his hubris-filled demands are squashed by the collective intentions of the island. Progress – real or illusion
A prominent struggle in the story is the constant battle between Ralph and Jack's priorities.
Jack believes that he is being an important contributor to the island's progress because he is sustaining the lives of the schoolboys, but in reality, he is getting in the way of Ralph trying to get everybody rescued, as well as Piggy trying to keep Ralph and Jack from tearing each other apart.
Much like Lewis Carroll's white rabbit, Jack is expending tremendous effort just to stay in the same place as the day before. His hunting often got him nowhere, and the few times when it is fruitful do nothing to solve their problems. Themes Important Points and Symbols End