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Astrological Database Project
Transcript of Astrological Database Project
What does an astrological data repository look like?
Russ von Ohlhausen
(Tech support/resource allocation)
Cloud Based Standardized Data Collection System
Initial Primary Data Collection
Collaborative Development of the Database
Progamming start-up with Dave Fassett and his with with the open source "astrology engine"
Development of the
Structure and Intake
Individual researchers contributing to
who may wish to assist the development of personal astrological data collection
to establish a standardized intake model
to create an interface for the input for a database
to create a repository for new data and datasets
initial research beta modules
get a consensus for type of information/fields to be gathered
assess standardization of data to be imported/exported
discuss pro/cons of various methods of data input
explore possibilities for astrologers and researchers of such a database
set up servers
create common intake form(s)
create capture interface
initiate a beta-test program
How is this initiative taking shape?
What information do we want to gather?
This information could be assessed by the already established Rodden Rating system
Would this work for us?? Is there a better method?
Different projects based on qualitative or quantitative factors may have different needs and flexible guidelines with how 'clean' their data has to be.
To verify or not to verify...
that is the question....... (well, essentially it's not even a question)
For most quantitative research studies there would not even be a question of verification but there are some types of transits studies or other research that does not need to have birth time, for example.
An input question could be inserted at the point of intake to assess and verify natal data. (Further along, a photo copy of the verification could be kept on file.)
HOW DO WE WANT TO VERIFY?
THE PRIMARY INTAKE PORTAL
The initial phase of the project could be implemented through existing astrology websites that would align with the project. A page with a popout sign-up portal for the ADP should be established to help with ease of client profile creation and intake.
A direct sign up portal with login could also be made available for those who did not wish to install from their own site.
What format and what technical details should be considered?
1. Have the person enter the place, latitude, longitude, DST, and time zone? (If so, the project is trivial and will probably come under the $375 estimate of Bojan).
2. Or do you do a lookup of the place from an atlas and the person selects the country and then the city as is done in most online chart services?
2a. If the person looks up the place from an atlas, does the software fill in the latitude and longitude (which is easy to do and probably won't raise the cost ver much). Does it also fill in the DST and time zone (which is not so easy to do and I was assuming this at first and why I said programming would be necessary and it would be expensive and I suspect will go way over the $375 budget or result in some severe compromises that would make it not the best way to go). If you read in an atlas, which atlas? This is where companies may "fight" for turf here. You could ask Fei if you can use the Sirius Atlas and that would have the advantage for us that the place would be in Sirius and when you import the data into Kepler or Sirius, it fills in the lat, long, time zone and DST for you. Also Kepler and Sirius can adjust return charts and other calculations to display the local time at the return but can't do this if the spelling of the place is not in the atlas because it can't look it up. The data is not nearly as valuable when the spelling of the place is different because some customers have their own idiosyncratic preferences and it really bugs them if the solar return shows the time in GMT. There are all these little details that one may not think of unless one has deep in these waters before.
2b. If you prompt for DST and time zone, there are a few ways to do it.
3. It would be good to include the date that the person contributes the data and provide some mechanism for people to import data from a certain date. The responsibility for this could be put on the software that imports the data if a date field of when the data is contributed is included. This is especially important because the major software companies are likely to include the data in their software and there is no need to get data prior to a particular date and in fact, you can end up with much duplicate data in the database because if in a particular astrology program, the name is entered as "Kennedy,John F." is the same as "Kennedy,John Fitzgerald" is the same as "Kennedy,John", etc. There are all kinds of nasty little details that need to be thought of. For software developers like me who are fanatics about making sure the software is completely elegant, this is a very big deal because it affects whether the user is having a really enjoyable experience and getting the information that they really want.
What are the very basics we should considered and how could that information be best managed and sorted?
There is still the question of how to verify on a larger scale and how to "approve" data and those who enter it.
Secondary/On-going Intake Methods
A little further in the future....
Who could utilize this compiled information...?
(this could potentially be used to assist those astrologers who do not have their own online data entry points or computerized record keeping for their personal record keeping systems as well).
Disclaimer: Logos used here solely for demonstration purposes. We are not representing any of these organizations...
Launch Beta ADP
Privacy and Data Exchange
Users/clients could elect to limit the use of name and other identifying information by
assigning an anonymous file ID to their data
Integration of available data sets
Where is all the information out there that is already viable? Can a wide variety digital datasets be extracted from/imported into this project? And if so, where are they?
Several studies involve biological families, past and current relationships to compare information. A database that was designed to utilize or capture this information in an integrated way could be useful for such projects.
A on-going profile based data extension is most useful in this area.
RGSCA- In the UK•Astro-Research. Net
Astrofaces.com, Moses Berlin
Institute of Noetic Sciences-Inacs/Ions
Astrology schools & students, science based-research projects, research groups, independent studies, skeptical studies, (possibly even companies that track trends)
Astrological Profile/Social platform
Dr. Franz Halberg, Chronobiology, University of Minnesota
Dr. Giuseppe Bezza
Dr. Greg Bogart
Prof. † Pierre R. Brind'Amour (Université d'Ottawa)
Dr. Peter B. Ellis
Prof. Gordon M. Fisher (James Madison University, Harrisonburg, Virginia)
Dr. Elmar R. Gruber
Dr. Patrice Guinard
Dr. Jacques Halbronn
Dr. Maarit Laurento
Prof. Daryn Lehoux (Queen's University, Kingston)
Dr. Lucien de Luca
Prof. Aldo Mazzucchelli (Brown University, Providence)
Prof. Jesús Navarro Artigas (Universidad de Zaragoza)
Prof. Alain Nègre (Université de Grenoble)
Prof. Kenneth G. Negus (Princeton University)
Dr. Lester Ness (Changchun University of Technology, China)
Dr. Peter Niehenke Prof. Martín Pozzi (Universidad de Buenos Aires)
Dr. † Carlos Raitzin Prof. Charles Ridoux (Université de Valenciennes) Prof. Percy Seymour (Plymouth University)
Prof. Sergey Smelyakov (Kharkov University)
Dr. Slawomir Stachniewicz (Institute of Nuclear Physics, Cracow)
Dr. Angela Voss (University of Kent)
Dr. Rory Coker-University of Texas at Austin (skeptical researcher)
Some astrological research study organizations
Some University Professors Researching Astrology
Other Areas with Astrological Interest
Morphological effects of Astrology-Graham Douglas, author
NBSP, Biometric Security Project
A list of some databases:
Tying a profile to a site:
Timeline App (there is free social app to track life events)
Biographical Transit Journal
Internet reference tracking: https://www.diigo.com/
A good set of data from French data collectors with some possibilities but also concerns...
Independent Recognized Astrologers
Another solution commonly used is a
data exchange se
data profile set
What existing data could possibly aqcuried to seed the project, of both public figures and private individuals
A Daily Astrology Journal for astrology enthusiast
Record your regular experiences
Track/compare current trends with others who hve your aspects
Track similar issues with people and past transits
Locate "astrologically related twins"
There seems to be a growing call for this!
A lot of potential for interactive study here!
(A list of databases- a lot of hard work here by Sy Scholfield
Noel Tyl's discussion board
Some links to enthusiast in this area
Independent Research Groups
Major Astrological Software Programs
Simple apps used for quick comparisons
Improved accuracy, access and continuity of information with a central database
ASTROLOGY & BIRTHING
Tracking birth information with mothers and children, predictive birth time, etc.
Validating the Jonas Method & existing data on birth planning
ProjectBlueShift on Doppelganger faces-(Ohlhausen)
Validation of some of the work of William Lily
Other researcher studies
willing to contribute their new data
*See frame topic regarding existing data collections stored and used for past research
The Rodden Data Rating System
(And for those that who may not know the Rodden System)
Raw technical data can be
separated from personal identifying data
that could be collected
Astrologers who may not be affiliated with any of the major organized astrological associations
By who and how does new information get entered..? Thoughts?
It might be possible to acquire this database
Regarding profile data on public figures with conflicting information, the known varying information can be provided with an option for the passive user to decide.
The defunct Astro-databank, now online in wiki-format, is this data something that could be utilized in the integration of data process?
I am not sure of the current status of this database
David Cochrane and crew have volunteered this data-set to a collective archive.
Archives of Michele Gauquelin
Could this be integrated into the project? Is it useable? Would his archival foundation consider collaboration? Is is digitized?
The Gauquelin Archive
145,228 Sets of Birth Data
Other software and web sites that may wish to donate data
Non-scientific exploration of trends
and transit effects
What is possible with the consolidation of information through a central platform....
Potential for a more engaged astrological community connecting astrologers, enthusiasts, clients and researchers
Astrological Family Trees
Other research archives
How could this be accomplished
Archival data could be entered and managed by the astrological community and administrated over the way a wiki portal does.
Volunteer astrologers could resolve issues with conflicting data through concerted effort rather than by the a single individual.
Instead of a closed loop, a group of "accepted volunteers" could assist with data accuracy.
Local astrological associations
The combined repository of archival, public figure, and astrology client profiles.
Level of Education
Extended Research Profile
(free plug-in available)
Family and Relationship History
Face front normal
Face from smiling
Specialized Research Profile
Natal information of children
Digital palm and fingerprint collection
Genetic male and female markers
Extended genealogical history
(there are astrological studies that have been conducted in these areas)
Levels of biographical information to collect
Starting with the basic information and leaving room to expand an astrological profile.
(It is understood that only the essential data is realizable at this time).
Prepared by Russ von Ohlhausen
Do we know of other data collections already in existance?
References and Tools
Astrology Profile for Social Media-
"Umbrella" iBase Astrological
Accepting initial volunteers for start-up
programming and design.
Open-Source Database for Qualitative & Quantitative Astrological Study